Pope and abortion
 

Pope Pius IX in 1869 extended punishment of excommunication for the
abortion of an embryo at any age. In 1951, Pius XII restated the
principle, saying: “Every human being, even the child in the mother’s
womb, receives its right to life directly from God, not from its
parents.” Speaking in Kenya in 1985, John Paul II bluntly declared:
“Actions such as contraception and abortion are wrong.”

Many Catholics today, however, maintain that such an attitude is out of
date and must be revised. As a result, Roman Catholics are divided over
the issue.

The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to change
the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.

Before birth, and certainly before the third trimester, the fetus is not yet
a functioning human.
It is a part of, and totally dependent on, the women's body. All decisions
on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.

"Cracklin'" wrote in message
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Pope Pius IX in 1869 extended punishment of excommunication for the
abortion of an embryo at any age. In 1951, Pius XII restated the
principle, saying: “Every human being, even the child in the mother’s
womb, receives its right to life directly from God, not from its parents.”
Speaking in Kenya in 1985, John Paul II bluntly declared: “Actions such as
contraception and abortion are wrong.”

Many Catholics today, however, maintain that such an attitude is out of
date and must be revised. As a result, Roman Catholics are divided over
the issue.

"Bill" wrote in message
...
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to change
the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.

What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?

Before birth, and certainly before the third trimester, the fetus is not
yet a functioning human.

A total lie.

It is a part of,

Sure doesn't seem that way.

and totally dependent on, the women's body.

It has no body of its own?

All decisions on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.

BULL****!
WIthout representative government there is no democracy.

Johnny wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message
...
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to change
the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.

What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?

But by forcing choice on people, you are not only allowing
them to have abortions if they want them - you are also
allowing them not to have abortions if they don't want them.
Everybody gets to do what their conscience dictates. Whereas
the "pro life" side want to force their conscience on
everybody.

Bill wrote:
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to change
the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.

Well, Americans are doing this in the muslim world. What is the differance?

"Johnny" wrote in
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"Bill" wrote in message
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The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to
change the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.

What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?

The freedom of bodily autonomy, idiot.

Before birth, and certainly before the third trimester, the fetus is
not yet a functioning human.

A total lie.

Yes, yours.

It is a part of,

Sure doesn't seem that way.

and totally dependent on, the women's body.

It has no body of its own?

Then you would have no objection if the woman just removes it from her
body, right?


All decisions on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.

BULL****!
WIthout representative government there is no democracy.


"Representative" government doesn't mean the "totalitarian" government you
and your anti-choice ilk are trying to impose.

to·tal·i·tar·i·an (t½-t²l”¹-târ“¶-…n) adj.
1. Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the
political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all
aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing
political and cultural expression is suppressed.

--to·tal·i·tar·i·an n.

A practitioner or supporter of such a government. --to·tal”i·tar“i·an·ism
n.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:30:57 -0400, "Johnny"
wrote:


"Bill" wrote in message
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The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to change
the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.

What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?

Oh, yeah. We sure wouldn't want people to have individual
autonomy, would we? Much better to let someone else make all the
decisions.
Like... what church you should attend, for instance. Yeah, who
needs this Pro-Choice **** when it comes to religion. People can't be
trusted and the government should make those decisions for them.

Before birth, and certainly before the third trimester, the fetus is not
yet a functioning human.

A total lie.

Do you actually know anything about fetal development?

It is a part of,

Sure doesn't seem that way.

and totally dependent on, the women's body.

It has no body of its own?

Not one that can function independently, no.

All decisions on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.

BULL****!
WIthout representative government there is no democracy.

And we have a representative government that represents its
citizens. Fetuses are not citizens any more than an acorn is an oak.

-- Darklady
www.darklady.com
www.masturbate-a-thon.org

"Graham Kennedy" wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message
...
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to
change the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.

What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?

But by forcing choice on people, you are not only allowing
them to have abortions if they want them - you are also
allowing them not to have abortions if they don't want them.

Which is an unequal measure policy.

Everybody gets to do what their conscience dictates. Whereas
the "pro life" side want to force their conscience on
everybody.

People want a rule that everyone agrees with instead of a choice agenda that
does nothing to ensure that the consciences of some are not violated and
that others are not saddled with burdens beyond others because they chose
not to have an abortion while others did and escaped their created
responsibilities that others chose not to escape via abortion.
Choice is not a common agenda in the USA.

"Darklady" wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:30:57 -0400, "Johnny"
wrote:


"Bill" wrote in message
.. .
The serious problems is that these religious fanatics would like to
change
the law and
FORCE this on everyone else.

What part of Pro-Choice is NOT forced on the nation?

Oh, yeah. We sure wouldn't want people to have individual
autonomy, would we?

Especially fetuses and men in the sexist woman's right to choose agenda,
right?


Much better to let someone else make all the
decisions.

The beauty of law is that no one does the deciding.
With Pro-Choice you have the burden of defending your choice.

Like... what church you should attend, for instance. Yeah, who
needs this Pro-Choice **** when it comes to religion. People can't be
trusted and the government should make those decisions for them.

People are very untrustworthy nowadays in the USA, but that only includes
the shysters of the NASD and Pro-Choicers.


Before birth, and certainly before the third trimester, the fetus is not
yet a functioning human.

A total lie.

Do you actually know anything about fetal development?

Quite a bit.
There is nothing non-functional about a human being in gestation.
It isn't supposed to be walking and talking already or driving a car.

It is a part of,

Sure doesn't seem that way.

and totally dependent on, the women's body.

It has no body of its own?

Not one that can function independently, no.

Which is shows that it needs the womb to survive, and that any outside force
invading it is a threat unto its existence.

All decisions on abortion belong to the women
not some religious bigot or legislature.

BULL****!
Without representative government there is no democracy.

And we have a representative government that represents its
citizens. Fetuses are not citizens any more than an acorn is an oak.

Fetuses do not need to be citizens to be represented.
The voters are who have the power to decide this issue.
If the voters decide that fetuses, even thought they afre not considered
citizens, have the right to live, then that is the way that the government
must rule.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:15:13 -0400, Cracklin' wrote:

Pope Pius IX in 1869 extended punishment of excommunication for the
abortion of an embryo at any age. In 1951, Pius XII restated the
principle, saying: “Every human being, even the child in the mother’s
womb, receives its right to life directly from God, not from its
parents.” Speaking in Kenya in 1985, John Paul II bluntly declared:
“Actions such as contraception and abortion are wrong.”

Many Catholics today, however, maintain that such an attitude is out of
date and must be revised. As a result, Roman Catholics are divided over
the issue.

They can always quit the Church and commit mortal sin, but they can never take
God out of rejecting the evil.

duke
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