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Reaper June 2nd 04 12:30 AM

Ro-Di water storage
 
I have 2 fiberglass cylinders one that holds 45 gal (Di H2O) and one that
holds 25 gal (Ro H2O) I bleached these tanks out for days and rinsed them
thoroughly, one week after storing H2O in them the Ro tanks H20 has such a
musty smell and taste, we cannot drink it, the Di tanks water smells musty,
I do not try to store more than 10 gal of Ro H2O or 20 gal of Di H2O at a
time unless I am going to do an H2O change (Di H2O).

Any suggestions? would a little peroxide help????

TIA,

Reaper



J Codling June 2nd 04 01:25 AM

Ro-Di water storage
 
If you're using this as drinking water it needs to be sealed off from the
air and stored in an NSF approved container. RO/DI water is highly
reactive, this includes air for sure. Do you have them completely sealed
off? If not, then you will need to find a way to seal them off otherwise
you're fighting a losing battle.

Hope that helps.

Jim


"Reaper" wrote in message
om...
I have 2 fiberglass cylinders one that holds 45 gal (Di H2O) and one that
holds 25 gal (Ro H2O) I bleached these tanks out for days and rinsed them
thoroughly, one week after storing H2O in them the Ro tanks H20 has such a
musty smell and taste, we cannot drink it, the Di tanks water smells

musty,
I do not try to store more than 10 gal of Ro H2O or 20 gal of Di H2O at a
time unless I am going to do an H2O change (Di H2O).

Any suggestions? would a little peroxide help????

TIA,

Reaper





Cuprous June 2nd 04 03:16 PM

Ro-Di water storage
 

"... RO/DI water is highly reactive, this includes air for sure."


reactive? Since when? Any type of water is about as inert as you can
get

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:25:39 GMT, "J Codling"
wrote:

If you're using this as drinking water it needs to be sealed off from the
air and stored in an NSF approved container. RO/DI water is highly
reactive, this includes air for sure. Do you have them completely sealed
off? If not, then you will need to find a way to seal them off otherwise
you're fighting a losing battle.

Hope that helps.

Jim


"Reaper" wrote in message
. com...
I have 2 fiberglass cylinders one that holds 45 gal (Di H2O) and one that
holds 25 gal (Ro H2O) I bleached these tanks out for days and rinsed them
thoroughly, one week after storing H2O in them the Ro tanks H20 has such a
musty smell and taste, we cannot drink it, the Di tanks water smells

musty,
I do not try to store more than 10 gal of Ro H2O or 20 gal of Di H2O at a
time unless I am going to do an H2O change (Di H2O).

Any suggestions? would a little peroxide help????

TIA,

Reaper





Reaper June 2nd 04 04:11 PM

Ro-Di water storage
 
Pure H2O is one of the best solvents, that is why in its normal state it is
hard, full of minerals and other stuff it dissolved, pure H2O is not very
good to drink because when it touches your stomach lining it pulls all of
the salt out of the cells, it is very reactive.

My thoughts are if it is lacking nutrients where is the musty smell coming
from? and if it is reactive how is anything living in it?

My tanks are sealed the best I can because I need an air hole to allow the
H2O to flow.

Reaper



"Cuprous" wrote in message
...

"... RO/DI water is highly reactive, this includes air for sure."


reactive? Since when? Any type of water is about as inert as you can
get

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:25:39 GMT, "J Codling"
wrote:

If you're using this as drinking water it needs to be sealed off from the
air and stored in an NSF approved container. RO/DI water is highly
reactive, this includes air for sure. Do you have them completely

sealed
off? If not, then you will need to find a way to seal them off otherwise
you're fighting a losing battle.

Hope that helps.

Jim


"Reaper" wrote in message
. com...
I have 2 fiberglass cylinders one that holds 45 gal (Di H2O) and one

that
holds 25 gal (Ro H2O) I bleached these tanks out for days and rinsed

them
thoroughly, one week after storing H2O in them the Ro tanks H20 has

such a
musty smell and taste, we cannot drink it, the Di tanks water smells

musty,
I do not try to store more than 10 gal of Ro H2O or 20 gal of Di H2O at

a
time unless I am going to do an H2O change (Di H2O).

Any suggestions? would a little peroxide help????

TIA,

Reaper







CapFusion June 2nd 04 07:13 PM

Ro-Di water storage
 

"Reaper" wrote in message
om...
Pure H2O is one of the best solvents, that is why in its normal state it

is
hard, full of minerals and other stuff it dissolved, pure H2O is not very
good to drink because when it touches your stomach lining it pulls all of
the salt out of the cells, it is very reactive.

My thoughts are if it is lacking nutrients where is the musty smell coming
from? and if it is reactive how is anything living in it?

My tanks are sealed the best I can because I need an air hole to allow the
H2O to flow.


My guess would be the smell is from the bleach. Try to let it circulate and
if the smell still there.

Pure water should not smell that bad as it attract or absorb ion or
particale surronding the area. I have a pitcher fill with pure water [1ppm
TDS] sitting for a day [from morning until off work] at one time that I
forgotten to dump it into the sump. I did not notice any smell.

As for J Codling, yes, the pure water will absorb any ion charge since it
low [reactive] since there ion being remove during the filtering process.
Being bad for human stomach lining is debatable as regarding to health. But
so far, I have not seen any article or report that I am aware of indicating
that pure water cause death to anyone. On this note I just mention, drinking
RODI water simply does have much taste or pale. But best is to drink RO with
some small or minor impurity like say 3ppm or so. Your immune will have
something to do. Too healthy is not good either.

CapFusion,...



Cuprous June 2nd 04 08:17 PM

Ro-Di water storage
 
Clearing up some of your confusion:

There is a BIG difference between something that is a good sovent
versus something that is very reactive. Pure water is a very good
solvent for a varienty of salts. It DOES NOT react with these salts or
much of anythign for that matter...


On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:13:58 -0700, "CapFusion"
CapeFussion...@hotmail..,com wrote:


"Reaper" wrote in message
. com...
Pure H2O is one of the best solvents, that is why in its normal state it

is
hard, full of minerals and other stuff it dissolved, pure H2O is not very
good to drink because when it touches your stomach lining it pulls all of
the salt out of the cells, it is very reactive.

My thoughts are if it is lacking nutrients where is the musty smell coming
from? and if it is reactive how is anything living in it?

My tanks are sealed the best I can because I need an air hole to allow the
H2O to flow.


My guess would be the smell is from the bleach. Try to let it circulate and
if the smell still there.

Pure water should not smell that bad as it attract or absorb ion or
particale surronding the area. I have a pitcher fill with pure water [1ppm
TDS] sitting for a day [from morning until off work] at one time that I
forgotten to dump it into the sump. I did not notice any smell.

As for J Codling, yes, the pure water will absorb any ion charge since it
low [reactive] since there ion being remove during the filtering process.
Being bad for human stomach lining is debatable as regarding to health. But
so far, I have not seen any article or report that I am aware of indicating
that pure water cause death to anyone. On this note I just mention, drinking
RODI water simply does have much taste or pale. But best is to drink RO with
some small or minor impurity like say 3ppm or so. Your immune will have
something to do. Too healthy is not good either.

CapFusion,...



CapFusion June 2nd 04 09:53 PM

Ro-Di water storage
 

"Cuprous" wrote in message
...
Clearing up some of your confusion:

There is a BIG difference between something that is a good sovent
versus something that is very reactive. Pure water is a very good
solvent for a varienty of salts. It DOES NOT react with these salts or
much of anythign for that matter...



Ok.... maybe you are right. Pure water can dissolve like salt. So it does
not react to any ION? Maybe I am in confusion as you stated. Does not pure
water have low ION since it being filter out? TDS meter normally can detect
any ION present [+/-] charge in the water but for those neutral ION it will
not be detect. Can you explain to me in detail. I would like to have better
understanding or the relationship. I alway thought in pure water form, any
ION near it, it will absorb [react]. Humm.... or maybe Boomer can explain
this to me or have a link.

CapFusion,...



CheezWiz June 3rd 04 04:47 AM

Ro-Di water storage
 
Here we go with that again.....
The saliva in our mouths adds enough stuff to the water to prevent that
BS...


"Reaper" wrote in message
om...
Pure H2O is one of the best solvents, that is why in its normal state it

is
hard, full of minerals and other stuff it dissolved, pure H2O is not very
good to drink because when it touches your stomach lining it pulls all of
the salt out of the cells, it is very reactive.

My thoughts are if it is lacking nutrients where is the musty smell coming
from? and if it is reactive how is anything living in it?

My tanks are sealed the best I can because I need an air hole to allow the
H2O to flow.

Reaper



"Cuprous" wrote in message
...

"... RO/DI water is highly reactive, this includes air for sure."


reactive? Since when? Any type of water is about as inert as you can
get

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:25:39 GMT, "J Codling"
wrote:

If you're using this as drinking water it needs to be sealed off from

the
air and stored in an NSF approved container. RO/DI water is highly
reactive, this includes air for sure. Do you have them completely

sealed
off? If not, then you will need to find a way to seal them off

otherwise
you're fighting a losing battle.

Hope that helps.

Jim


"Reaper" wrote in message
. com...
I have 2 fiberglass cylinders one that holds 45 gal (Di H2O) and one

that
holds 25 gal (Ro H2O) I bleached these tanks out for days and rinsed

them
thoroughly, one week after storing H2O in them the Ro tanks H20 has

such a
musty smell and taste, we cannot drink it, the Di tanks water smells
musty,
I do not try to store more than 10 gal of Ro H2O or 20 gal of Di H2O

at
a
time unless I am going to do an H2O change (Di H2O).

Any suggestions? would a little peroxide help????

TIA,

Reaper









CheezWiz June 3rd 04 04:53 AM

Ro-Di water storage
 
From a post many moons ago.....


Found this scientific explanation as to why drinking pure water is harmless.
The body is pre-equipped to do this. By drinking pure water, one simply
reduces the risk of intake of "bad stuff" that could be in the water. Of
course the cost goes up as DI filters are not incredibly cheap. However they
are not incredibly expensive either....

"
As stated by DR Arthur L Guyton in 1991 The kidneys control the overall
concentrations of the constituants of body fluids. It filters about 180
liters of water per day, over 99% is reabsorbed and 1 to 1.5 liters are
eliminated as urine. If the osmolality of the fluid to be filtered by the
kidney is lower than normal, nervous and hormonal feedback cause the kidney
to excrete more water than normal and maintain the ion concentration in the
body at normal values. The opposite is true if the ion concentration of the
fluid to be filtered is higher than normal. The kidney homeostatic mechanism
keeps the body fluid osmolality normal.The three basic hormonal and nervous
control systemstriggered by abnormal ion concentrations are the antidiuretic
hormone (ADH) from the pituatary gland, aldosterone from the adrenal glands
and thirst because thirst is caused by a 1% rise in osmolality. Because of
these kidney control mechanisms, drinking one liter of water would cause the
urine output to increase about 9 times after 45 minutes and continue for
about two hours. Thus the concentrations of solutes in the blood and other
body fluids are quickly maintained by the the kidneythrough homeostasis.
these control mechanisms keep the sodium concentration at 7%. Calcium
concentration is controlled by parathyroid hormone to + a few percent in the
extracellular body fluid. Also, Saliva increases the ion concentrations
during water intake. The concentration of sodium chloride in saliva is
typically 15 milliequivalents per liter or 877 mg/L that of potassium is
about 30 milliequivalents per liter or 1170 mg/L. As low TDS water is
consumed, it is combined with saliva which increases the TDS before it
reaches the stomach to be absorbed. Each one millileter of saliva can
increase the TDS level in eight ounces water consumed by about 10 mg/L.
Basicly any changes from normal ion concentration will be corrected in one
minute or less because of the fast pace of water through the cell membranes.
Sosmall changes in osmolality (ion concentration)
are quicly brought to an equilibrium........
"

"Reaper" wrote in message
om...
Pure H2O is one of the best solvents, that is why in its normal state it

is
hard, full of minerals and other stuff it dissolved, pure H2O is not very
good to drink because when it touches your stomach lining it pulls all of
the salt out of the cells, it is very reactive.

My thoughts are if it is lacking nutrients where is the musty smell coming
from? and if it is reactive how is anything living in it?

My tanks are sealed the best I can because I need an air hole to allow the
H2O to flow.

Reaper



"Cuprous" wrote in message
...

"... RO/DI water is highly reactive, this includes air for sure."


reactive? Since when? Any type of water is about as inert as you can
get

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:25:39 GMT, "J Codling"
wrote:

If you're using this as drinking water it needs to be sealed off from

the
air and stored in an NSF approved container. RO/DI water is highly
reactive, this includes air for sure. Do you have them completely

sealed
off? If not, then you will need to find a way to seal them off

otherwise
you're fighting a losing battle.

Hope that helps.

Jim


"Reaper" wrote in message
. com...
I have 2 fiberglass cylinders one that holds 45 gal (Di H2O) and one

that
holds 25 gal (Ro H2O) I bleached these tanks out for days and rinsed

them
thoroughly, one week after storing H2O in them the Ro tanks H20 has

such a
musty smell and taste, we cannot drink it, the Di tanks water smells
musty,
I do not try to store more than 10 gal of Ro H2O or 20 gal of Di H2O

at
a
time unless I am going to do an H2O change (Di H2O).

Any suggestions? would a little peroxide help????

TIA,

Reaper









CapFusion June 3rd 04 05:10 PM

Ro-Di water storage
 

"CheezWiz" wrote in message
...
Here we go with that again.....
The saliva in our mouths adds enough stuff to the water to prevent that
BS...



Yes.... Many many many moon plus sun or season ago.
Saliva and other thing like lemon juice etc.

CapFusion,...




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