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I'm planning on going to buy some clown loaches tomorrow. Well,
probably clown loaches - this is my eldest's choice; we'll look at the yo-yos and zebra loaches too, and I'll explain the pros and cons, but in the end, it's his birthday money, so it's up to him. Anyway - the store we're going to says they quarantine all their stock for two weeks before selling it. In that case, do most of you still quarantine after purchase? If we're going to quarantine, how long would you quarantine for? If we're doing that, I'll be filling my 60-litre tank tomorrow morning, and putting in the heater, but I won't move the filter across from the 125-litre until we get home with the loaches. I know a 60-litre isn't big enough for three clown loaches long-term, but it would be adequate for quarantine, wouldn't it? I've never quarantined anything before - what should I put in a quarantine tank? I assume gravel - not a problem, I've got spare. I know clowns like to have hiding-places; should I pick up an extra rock or two to provide that in the quarantine tank? Anything else I should know? -- FishNoob |
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"FishNoob" wrote in message ... I'm planning on going to buy some clown loaches tomorrow. Well, probably clown loaches - this is my eldest's choice; we'll look at the yo-yos and zebra loaches too, and I'll explain the pros and cons, but in the end, it's his birthday money, so it's up to him. Anyway - the store we're going to says they quarantine all their stock for two weeks before selling it. In that case, do most of you still quarantine after purchase? YES!!!! Have you asked to see their quarantine facilities? I never knew a store to have quarantine tanks for all new arrivals in the back-room somewhere. They're unboxed and the bags are floated in the tanks until they have time to open them and release the fish - FOR IMMEDIATE SALE. If we're going to quarantine, how long would you quarantine for? If we're doing that, I'll be filling my 60-litre tank tomorrow morning, and putting in the heater, but I won't move the filter across from the 125-litre until we get home with the loaches. I know a 60-litre isn't big enough for three clown loaches long-term, but it would be adequate for quarantine, wouldn't it? I quarantine new fish for 14 days, another 7 if I suspect or see some problem. I know others disagree but while in quarantine I almost always treat them for parasites using Quick-Cure or Aquari-Sol. I've never quarantined anything before - what should I put in a quarantine tank? I assume gravel - not a problem, I've got spare. I know clowns like to have hiding-places; should I pick up an extra rock or two to provide that in the quarantine tank? My Q. tank has gravel and plants plus a few rocks and a small AC filter of course. Anything else I should know? Just watch them closely for flashing or anything unusual. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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FishNoob wrote:
I'm planning on going to buy some clown loaches tomorrow. Well, probably clown loaches - this is my eldest's choice; we'll look at the yo-yos and zebra loaches too, and I'll explain the pros and cons, but in the end, it's his birthday money, so it's up to him. Anyway - the store we're going to says they quarantine all their stock for two weeks before selling it. In that case, do most of you still quarantine after purchase? If we're going to quarantine, how long would you quarantine for? If we're doing that, I'll be filling my 60-litre tank tomorrow morning, and putting in the heater, but I won't move the filter across from the 125-litre until we get home with the loaches. I know a 60-litre isn't big enough for three clown loaches long-term, but it would be adequate for quarantine, wouldn't it? I've never quarantined anything before - what should I put in a quarantine tank? I assume gravel - not a problem, I've got spare. I know clowns like to have hiding-places; should I pick up an extra rock or two to provide that in the quarantine tank? Anything else I should know? My experience is that in the UK (and you are in UK or Ireland aren't you if I remember correctly?), they don't QT as such but keep them off sale for a period of time to make sure that there are no obvious problems and the fish acclimatise to the local water conditions - usually around a week...maybe not all places do this but the ones I use do, and it sounds like you have the same sort of thing in place... With Clowns I never buy them straight afer they go on sale - I tend to pay a few trips and check them each time before plunging in...if they've been in the shop for a few weeks, which is very stressful for them, with no obvious signs of ich/white spot I will buy them - I've adopted this policy after losing a number of newly purchased Clowns to Ich....If they have even one white spot don't buy any of them... Right now, I have 4 Clown Loaches in QT...it is a normally set up tank - plants, gravel and driftwood for them to hide under - it is 15 gall...it also contains other fish - but experience has shown me that Clowns also benefit from "dither fish" when settling in...3 have been in there for around 5 weeks - although shy they seem fine - the other has been in there around 6 days (bought from the same supplier and the same batch of fish - he had just grown bigger and I couldn't resist). The fish will move into their permanent home over the next few days... The reason I am doing this is because it is a lot easier to treat a small tank for ich than the larger community tank....and theoratically easier to spot ich - however mine are so good at hiding it makes this a little harder... So give it a go, make sure there are plenty of hiding spaces for them and keep any eye on them for at least a couple of weeks. Also ensure the water quality is spot on as I've noticed sensitivity to even the smallest trace of nitrites... Good luck Gill |
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"FishNoob" wrote in message ... In article , lid says... YES!!!! Have you asked to see their quarantine facilities? I never knew a store to have quarantine tanks for all new arrivals in the back-room somewhere. They're unboxed and the bags are floated in the tanks until they have time to open them and release the fish - FOR IMMEDIATE SALE. I do actually believe that this store does what they say. They're not part of a chain, they don't advertise, they're not well-known outside aquarium-keeper circles - I didn't even know they existed until a few months after we got an aquarium. The store is not in an expensive part of town - kind of off the beaten track a bit. They've been established for many years. They don't have huge neon signs or anything like that. IOW, they're not some flashy stack-em-high-sell- em-cheap outlet. You are very fortunate to find a store like that. In my area there are few non-chain stores and one is so bad I seldom venture inside to see (and smell) what they have floating in their tanks. :-( They've got a very good reputation - everything I've heard or read about them has been 100% positive. I've visited the store twice and found the staff are all very interested and knowledgeable, and not pushing to sell. They have a wide range in stock, from tiny shrimp to two-foot-long stuff - all in reasonably- sized tanks. That's why I'm going further to buy from them rather than a local pet shop :-) That's an excellent idea. So I'm not concerned about them failing to do what they say they do - I just want to know what I should be doing, given the situation :-) I've had such bad experiences not quarantining that I quarantine everything from everywhere. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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FishNoob wrote:
In article , lid says... YES!!!! Have you asked to see their quarantine facilities? I never knew a store to have quarantine tanks for all new arrivals in the back-room somewhere. They're unboxed and the bags are floated in the tanks until they have time to open them and release the fish - FOR IMMEDIATE SALE. I do actually believe that this store does what they say. They're not part of a chain, they don't advertise, they're not well-known outside aquarium-keeper circles - I didn't even know they existed until a few months after we got an aquarium. The store is not in an expensive part of town - kind of off the beaten track a bit. They've been established for many years. They don't have huge neon signs or anything like that. IOW, they're not some flashy stack-em-high-sell- em-cheap outlet. They've got a very good reputation - everything I've heard or read about them has been 100% positive. I've visited the store twice and found the staff are all very interested and knowledgeable, and not pushing to sell. They have a wide range in stock, from tiny shrimp to two-foot-long stuff - all in reasonably- sized tanks. That's why I'm going further to buy from them rather than a local pet shop :-) So I'm not concerned about them failing to do what they say they do - I just want to know what I should be doing, given the situation :-) One thing, to remember, is that in the UK we have different laws and regulations not only regarding the sale of livestock but also in terms of trading standards - you cannot claim to do something that you do not...so if this place says they QT their fish then they do precisely that or risk being prosecuted.... Gill |
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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:05:14 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote: My experience is that in the UK (and you are in UK or Ireland aren't you if I remember correctly?), they don't QT as such but keep them off sale for a period of time to make sure that there are no obvious problems and the fish acclimatise to the local water conditions - usually around a week...maybe not all places do this but the ones I use do, and it sounds like you have the same sort of thing in place... With Clowns I never buy them straight afer they go on sale - I tend to pay a few trips and check them each time before plunging in...if they've been in the shop for a few weeks, which is very stressful for them, with no obvious signs of ich/white spot I will buy them - I've adopted this policy after losing a number of newly purchased Clowns to Ich....If they have even one white spot don't buy any of them... Right now, I have 4 Clown Loaches in QT...it is a normally set up tank - plants, gravel and driftwood for them to hide under - it is 15 gall...it also contains other fish - but experience has shown me that Clowns also benefit from "dither fish" when settling in...3 have been in there for around 5 weeks - although shy they seem fine - the other has been in there around 6 days (bought from the same supplier and the same batch of fish - he had just grown bigger and I couldn't resist). The fish will move into their permanent home over the next few days... The reason I am doing this is because it is a lot easier to treat a small tank for ich than the larger community tank....and theoratically easier to spot ich - however mine are so good at hiding it makes this a little harder... So give it a go, make sure there are plenty of hiding spaces for them and keep any eye on them for at least a couple of weeks. Also ensure the water quality is spot on as I've noticed sensitivity to even the smallest trace of nitrites... Good luck Gill I recently had a discussion on this with Vance, my lfs. His water comes from his well, it is hard as a rock and alkaline. My water is as soft as a baby's sleeper pajamas and settles at 6.6-6.8 after a couple of days in the tank. He opens at noon each day, and noon is when I generally visit him. So we talk while we wander through the store, turning on lights, checking the tanks, pulling out the inevitable floaters, usually just one or two, sometimes none, and when there are more than 2, or if it's some in the same tank as yesterday, he slaps a Not For Sale sign on the tank and medicates it. I often get him to order fish especially for me, and I asked him what he thought of the idea of transferring my fish directly from the shipping bags and bypassing the process of acclimating them to his tanks, then bringing them home to acclimate to my tanks a few days later. It was a good, give and take, discussion - and we never did come to a total agreement, I think we left it at deciding on a case by case basis. My next "special order" is some Espie Rasboras, we'll figure it out when they arrive. -- Mister Gardener |
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FishNoob wrote,
the store we're going to says they quarantine all their stock for two weeks before selling it. That's how it used to be here in the US some 40 years ago - any more I don't know of any fish store that quarantines. In that case, do most of you still quarantine after purchase? If we're going to quarantine, how long would you quarantine for? If in fact they do quarantine for two weeks, do they do any kind of preventive treatment(?), or do they just treat the fish that shows symptoms of a disease or parasites? The reason I ask, wild cought and pond raised fish often have red worms (camallanus), that may not even show up for 3 or 4 weeks. I do a quarantine preventive treatment; Feed a medicated food for 10 days - 20% water changes per day for 4 to 5 days, add a teaspoon of salt per 5 gals. (stimulates slime coat), two day treatment with Fluke-Tabs (treats flukes and worms), and half dose treatment of Rid-Ich for 10 days (for skin parasites). Quarantine preventive treatment takes 3 weeks............ Frank |
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