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sump conundrum
Last year I bought a second hand tank for freshwater fish until some
bright spark suggested sal****er. After a few months of reading I decided to give it a go but without using the sump b/c I couldn't figure out how it all went together. I didn't speak to the previous owner as the fish tank was collected for me by my son. It had been used for freshwater and then sal****er is all I know. Now, 6 months later, I've decided I should try and use the sump. I'd like to use part or most of it as a refugium with a dsb but I don't think I can with the heights? My main tank doesn't have a dsb. The bit I can't understand though is that the tank is drilled on one side about 3cm from the top, one hole only. This hole currently has some fittings in it but is blocked off on the inside. The tank is 180 x 60 x 70cm but I have the water level at 63/64 cm which is about 1/2 way up the hole. I think the hole is 3cm in diameter. There is a "shelf" of glass about 2.5cm above the water line on the long sides. (The glass is 9mm thick.) The sump looks like this from the side (sorry I'm not great at drawing) http://goatdairying.com/fish/marine/sumpdiag.jpg The 1.5cm gap under one partition has a plastic grid thing wedged in there that tight that I can't get it out. I think it was used with bioballs as there are 2 lids over the bigger sections that have a rotating spray bar attached. The following pumps came with the tank Via Aqua 3300 (says 2880l/hr and is the stongest feeling) Chosen AT-104 (says 2000l/hr) Another with no label that is very strong I also have a spare 90 litre tank I used for freshwater (before the reef bug got me). Can anyone point me in the right direction pleeease. I just can't seem to relate what I have to all the diagrams I've seen of tanks with sumps and I keep looking at all this equipment thinking what a waste when not in use. How should I go about using it? Is it possible to have a sump using the current hole in the main tank and if so, how? I do not want to try a hang on overflow box. Thanks for your time miskairal |
sump conundrum
Oohps, sorry but all measurements are in centimetres.
miskairal wrote: Last year I bought a second hand tank for freshwater fish until some bright spark suggested sal****er. After a few months of reading I decided to give it a go but without using the sump b/c I couldn't figure out how it all went together. I didn't speak to the previous owner as the fish tank was collected for me by my son. It had been used for freshwater and then sal****er is all I know. Now, 6 months later, I've decided I should try and use the sump. I'd like to use part or most of it as a refugium with a dsb but I don't think I can with the heights? My main tank doesn't have a dsb. The bit I can't understand though is that the tank is drilled on one side about 3cm from the top, one hole only. This hole currently has some fittings in it but is blocked off on the inside. The tank is 180 x 60 x 70cm but I have the water level at 63/64 cm which is about 1/2 way up the hole. I think the hole is 3cm in diameter. There is a "shelf" of glass about 2.5cm above the water line on the long sides. (The glass is 9mm thick.) The sump looks like this from the side (sorry I'm not great at drawing) http://goatdairying.com/fish/marine/sumpdiag.jpg The 1.5cm gap under one partition has a plastic grid thing wedged in there that tight that I can't get it out. I think it was used with bioballs as there are 2 lids over the bigger sections that have a rotating spray bar attached. The following pumps came with the tank Via Aqua 3300 (says 2880l/hr and is the stongest feeling) Chosen AT-104 (says 2000l/hr) Another with no label that is very strong I also have a spare 90 litre tank I used for freshwater (before the reef bug got me). Can anyone point me in the right direction pleeease. I just can't seem to relate what I have to all the diagrams I've seen of tanks with sumps and I keep looking at all this equipment thinking what a waste when not in use. How should I go about using it? Is it possible to have a sump using the current hole in the main tank and if so, how? I do not want to try a hang on overflow box. Thanks for your time miskairal |
sump conundrum
Thanks Wayne, that's what I thought about the sump but can you explain
to me how I use the drilled hole as an overflow - what do I connect to it? I take it I can't use a weir type thing? I was thinking of slowly adding sand to create a dsb but the sand has been so yuck since I set this tank up 6 months ago that I'm a bit nervous about it. I did have more sand in there (about 1.5cm thick) but have removed a lot with hair algae and cyano. Wayne Sallee wrote: What you have is a wet dry filter. You might want to use a tank instead. Go with the biggest tank that you can fit under the aquarium. If you use the wet dry, just remove all of the removable items. Items glued in could also give structural support, and could compromise the integrity of the sump if removed. Use the hole that is drilled in the aquarium for the overflow, and then plumb the return up over the back of the aquarium. Also while putting a deep sand bed in the sump will be beneficial, a deep sand bed in the reef tank is even better, as it is where the action is. But yes putting a deep sand bed in your sump will be beneficial weather or not you have a deep sand bed in your tank. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets miskairal wrote on 4/23/2006 4:18 AM: Oohps, sorry but all measurements are in centimetres. miskairal wrote: Last year I bought a second hand tank for freshwater fish until some bright spark suggested sal****er. After a few months of reading I decided to give it a go but without using the sump b/c I couldn't figure out how it all went together. I didn't speak to the previous owner as the fish tank was collected for me by my son. It had been used for freshwater and then sal****er is all I know. Now, 6 months later, I've decided I should try and use the sump. I'd like to use part or most of it as a refugium with a dsb but I don't think I can with the heights? My main tank doesn't have a dsb. The bit I can't understand though is that the tank is drilled on one side about 3cm from the top, one hole only. This hole currently has some fittings in it but is blocked off on the inside. The tank is 180 x 60 x 70cm but I have the water level at 63/64 cm which is about 1/2 way up the hole. I think the hole is 3cm in diameter. There is a "shelf" of glass about 2.5cm above the water line on the long sides. (The glass is 9mm thick.) The sump looks like this from the side (sorry I'm not great at drawing) http://goatdairying.com/fish/marine/sumpdiag.jpg The 1.5cm gap under one partition has a plastic grid thing wedged in there that tight that I can't get it out. I think it was used with bioballs as there are 2 lids over the bigger sections that have a rotating spray bar attached. The following pumps came with the tank Via Aqua 3300 (says 2880l/hr and is the stongest feeling) Chosen AT-104 (says 2000l/hr) Another with no label that is very strong I also have a spare 90 litre tank I used for freshwater (before the reef bug got me). Can anyone point me in the right direction pleeease. I just can't seem to relate what I have to all the diagrams I've seen of tanks with sumps and I keep looking at all this equipment thinking what a waste when not in use. How should I go about using it? Is it possible to have a sump using the current hole in the main tank and if so, how? I do not want to try a hang on overflow box. Thanks for your time miskairal |
sump conundrum
You will need a bulkhead in the hole. You probably already
have one in the hole. Plump your pipe to the bulkhead down to the sump. At the inside of the tank, you will want a prefilter to keep it from sucking up stuff. See http://pentairaquatics.com/products/..._fittings.html Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets miskairal wrote on 4/24/2006 6:07 PM: Thanks Wayne, that's what I thought about the sump but can you explain to me how I use the drilled hole as an overflow - what do I connect to it? I take it I can't use a weir type thing? I was thinking of slowly adding sand to create a dsb but the sand has been so yuck since I set this tank up 6 months ago that I'm a bit nervous about it. I did have more sand in there (about 1.5cm thick) but have removed a lot with hair algae and cyano. Wayne Sallee wrote: What you have is a wet dry filter. You might want to use a tank instead. Go with the biggest tank that you can fit under the aquarium. If you use the wet dry, just remove all of the removable items. Items glued in could also give structural support, and could compromise the integrity of the sump if removed. Use the hole that is drilled in the aquarium for the overflow, and then plumb the return up over the back of the aquarium. Also while putting a deep sand bed in the sump will be beneficial, a deep sand bed in the reef tank is even better, as it is where the action is. But yes putting a deep sand bed in your sump will be beneficial weather or not you have a deep sand bed in your tank. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets miskairal wrote on 4/23/2006 4:18 AM: Oohps, sorry but all measurements are in centimetres. miskairal wrote: Last year I bought a second hand tank for freshwater fish until some bright spark suggested sal****er. After a few months of reading I decided to give it a go but without using the sump b/c I couldn't figure out how it all went together. I didn't speak to the previous owner as the fish tank was collected for me by my son. It had been used for freshwater and then sal****er is all I know. Now, 6 months later, I've decided I should try and use the sump. I'd like to use part or most of it as a refugium with a dsb but I don't think I can with the heights? My main tank doesn't have a dsb. The bit I can't understand though is that the tank is drilled on one side about 3cm from the top, one hole only. This hole currently has some fittings in it but is blocked off on the inside. The tank is 180 x 60 x 70cm but I have the water level at 63/64 cm which is about 1/2 way up the hole. I think the hole is 3cm in diameter. There is a "shelf" of glass about 2.5cm above the water line on the long sides. (The glass is 9mm thick.) The sump looks like this from the side (sorry I'm not great at drawing) http://goatdairying.com/fish/marine/sumpdiag.jpg The 1.5cm gap under one partition has a plastic grid thing wedged in there that tight that I can't get it out. I think it was used with bioballs as there are 2 lids over the bigger sections that have a rotating spray bar attached. The following pumps came with the tank Via Aqua 3300 (says 2880l/hr and is the stongest feeling) Chosen AT-104 (says 2000l/hr) Another with no label that is very strong I also have a spare 90 litre tank I used for freshwater (before the reef bug got me). Can anyone point me in the right direction pleeease. I just can't seem to relate what I have to all the diagrams I've seen of tanks with sumps and I keep looking at all this equipment thinking what a waste when not in use. How should I go about using it? Is it possible to have a sump using the current hole in the main tank and if so, how? I do not want to try a hang on overflow box. Thanks for your time miskairal |
sump conundrum
Thankyou once again Wayne. I do have a bulkhead and sundry bits and
pieces but I think I'm missing the suction screen that screws into the bulkhead on the inside. Might buy all new stuff anyway to play it safe. Thanks. Wayne Sallee wrote: You will need a bulkhead in the hole. You probably already have one in the hole. Plump your pipe to the bulkhead down to the sump. At the inside of the tank, you will want a prefilter to keep it from sucking up stuff. See http://pentairaquatics.com/products/..._fittings.html Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets miskairal wrote on 4/24/2006 6:07 PM: Thanks Wayne, that's what I thought about the sump but can you explain to me how I use the drilled hole as an overflow - what do I connect to it? I take it I can't use a weir type thing? I was thinking of slowly adding sand to create a dsb but the sand has been so yuck since I set this tank up 6 months ago that I'm a bit nervous about it. I did have more sand in there (about 1.5cm thick) but have removed a lot with hair algae and cyano. Wayne Sallee wrote: What you have is a wet dry filter. You might want to use a tank instead. Go with the biggest tank that you can fit under the aquarium. If you use the wet dry, just remove all of the removable items. Items glued in could also give structural support, and could compromise the integrity of the sump if removed. Use the hole that is drilled in the aquarium for the overflow, and then plumb the return up over the back of the aquarium. Also while putting a deep sand bed in the sump will be beneficial, a deep sand bed in the reef tank is even better, as it is where the action is. But yes putting a deep sand bed in your sump will be beneficial weather or not you have a deep sand bed in your tank. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets miskairal wrote on 4/23/2006 4:18 AM: Oohps, sorry but all measurements are in centimetres. miskairal wrote: Last year I bought a second hand tank for freshwater fish until some bright spark suggested sal****er. After a few months of reading I decided to give it a go but without using the sump b/c I couldn't figure out how it all went together. I didn't speak to the previous owner as the fish tank was collected for me by my son. It had been used for freshwater and then sal****er is all I know. Now, 6 months later, I've decided I should try and use the sump. I'd like to use part or most of it as a refugium with a dsb but I don't think I can with the heights? My main tank doesn't have a dsb. The bit I can't understand though is that the tank is drilled on one side about 3cm from the top, one hole only. This hole currently has some fittings in it but is blocked off on the inside. The tank is 180 x 60 x 70cm but I have the water level at 63/64 cm which is about 1/2 way up the hole. I think the hole is 3cm in diameter. There is a "shelf" of glass about 2.5cm above the water line on the long sides. (The glass is 9mm thick.) The sump looks like this from the side (sorry I'm not great at drawing) http://goatdairying.com/fish/marine/sumpdiag.jpg The 1.5cm gap under one partition has a plastic grid thing wedged in there that tight that I can't get it out. I think it was used with bioballs as there are 2 lids over the bigger sections that have a rotating spray bar attached. The following pumps came with the tank Via Aqua 3300 (says 2880l/hr and is the stongest feeling) Chosen AT-104 (says 2000l/hr) Another with no label that is very strong I also have a spare 90 litre tank I used for freshwater (before the reef bug got me). Can anyone point me in the right direction pleeease. I just can't seem to relate what I have to all the diagrams I've seen of tanks with sumps and I keep looking at all this equipment thinking what a waste when not in use. How should I go about using it? Is it possible to have a sump using the current hole in the main tank and if so, how? I do not want to try a hang on overflow box. Thanks for your time miskairal |
sump conundrum
"miskairal" wrote in message ...
Thankyou once again Wayne. I do have a bulkhead and sundry bits and pieces but I think I'm missing the suction screen that screws into the bulkhead on the inside. Might buy all new stuff anyway to play it safe. And test your system on the event of power outage. Water cannot overflow the sump when pump stops pumping. |
sump conundrum
hehe yep.
I'll have customers come in the store, and tell me that they got their sump up and running, and I'll ask them if they have turned the power off yet. Most people respond with "no". I respond with "You'd better get home and turn that power off and make sure it's working right, because sooner or later it *will* go off." Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets Pszemol wrote on 4/25/2006 9:10 AM: "miskairal" wrote in message ... Thankyou once again Wayne. I do have a bulkhead and sundry bits and pieces but I think I'm missing the suction screen that screws into the bulkhead on the inside. Might buy all new stuff anyway to play it safe. And test your system on the event of power outage. Water cannot overflow the sump when pump stops pumping. |
sump conundrum
Oooh yeah, I have read up about that heaps and don't intend to forget
about it! Thanks for the warning though. Pszemol wrote: "miskairal" wrote in message ... Thankyou once again Wayne. I do have a bulkhead and sundry bits and pieces but I think I'm missing the suction screen that screws into the bulkhead on the inside. Might buy all new stuff anyway to play it safe. And test your system on the event of power outage. Water cannot overflow the sump when pump stops pumping. |
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