Reef sumps by ESHOPPS
 

Anybody here using reef sumps made by ESHOPPS ?
Here is the link: http://www.eshopps.com/reefsump.php

I saw them yesterday in a local pet store, they
are quite expensive: RS-200 is about $200...

I was wondering if they are good and if they can
be purchased somewhere online little bit cheaper.

Reef sumps by ESHOPPS
 

I have not seen that one, but I'm not a big fan of premade
sumps with baffles. I much prefer a regular tank that can
always be used as a tank later, and can be flexible in
use. I prefer to use live rock, and sea weed instead of
baffles. And instead of drilling a sump, I prefer to use
an external pump, and simply send the plumbing up and over
the wall of the tank.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Pszemol wrote on 10/30/2006 11:39 PM:
Anybody here using reef sumps made by ESHOPPS ?
Here is the link: http://www.eshopps.com/reefsump.php

I saw them yesterday in a local pet store, they
are quite expensive: RS-200 is about $200...

I was wondering if they are good and if they can
be purchased somewhere online little bit cheaper.

Reef sumps by ESHOPPS
 

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message k.net...
I have not seen that one, but I'm not a big fan of premade
sumps with baffles. I much prefer a regular tank that can
always be used as a tank later, and can be flexible in
use. I prefer to use live rock, and sea weed instead of
baffles. And instead of drilling a sump, I prefer to use
an external pump, and simply send the plumbing up and over
the wall of the tank.

Using seaweed requires the sump to be lighted.

Not using baffles you are dealing with air bubbles
going into the return pump and geting into the tank.
How do you deal with air bubbles?

Also, occupying sump with live rock you have no room
there left for placing skimmer, phosphate reaktor
and other devices people normally put in the sump.

Having 90' elbows on your plumbing you waste the
pump power - each elbow is like a foot hight, so
the flow rate you get from the pump is much lesser...
I also do not drill the sump, but I use internal pump
like quiet one 3000 which has enough flow for my 58 g.

Reef sumps by ESHOPPS
 

Wayne Sallee wrote on 10/31/2006 11:39 AM:
a sump, I prefer to use
an external pump, and simply send the plumbing up and over the wall of
the tank.

Over the wall of the sump that is.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

Reef sumps by ESHOPPS
 

Pszemol wrote on 10/31/2006 12:16 PM:

Using seaweed requires the sump to be lighted.

Yep, and many people are liking the benefits that
refugiums provide.


Not using baffles you are dealing with air bubbles
going into the return pump and geting into the tank.
How do you deal with air bubbles?

Live rock rubble in the sump takes all the bubbles out.


Also, occupying sump with live rock you have no room
there left for placing skimmer, phosphate reaktor
and other devices people normally put in the sump.

I have room for a 1,000 gph protein skimmer in my sump,
and room for carbon and any other bags of media I may want
in there, currently experimenting with a bag of sulfur.


Having 90' elbows on your plumbing you waste the
pump power - each elbow is like a foot hight, so
the flow rate you get from the pump is much lesser...

I use 2" thin wall pvc pipe.

I also do not drill the sump, but I use internal pump
like quiet one 3000 which has enough flow for my 58 g.

I like external pumps because when the electricity comes
on they kick on, as they are real motors, and not vibrator
pumps. Also less heat transfer.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

Reef sumps by ESHOPPS
 

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message k.net...
Pszemol wrote on 10/31/2006 12:16 PM:

Using seaweed requires the sump to be lighted.

Yep, and many people are liking the benefits that
refugiums provide.

Refugium and lighted sumps are not the same thing...
If you have high water flow than it is not refugium
anymore - all the plankton will be swept away to the
pump or the sponge on the way to the pump.

Not using baffles you are dealing with air bubbles
going into the return pump and geting into the tank.
How do you deal with air bubbles?

Live rock rubble in the sump takes all the bubbles out.

Do you have any drawing you could share to ilustrate
the way you design your sumps?

Also, occupying sump with live rock you have no room
there left for placing skimmer, phosphate reaktor
and other devices people normally put in the sump.

I have room for a 1,000 gph protein skimmer in my sump,
and room for carbon and any other bags of media I may want
in there, currently experimenting with a bag of sulfur.

I find the bags in the sump very inefficient solution.
Water finds its way around the media bag and does not
penetrate carbon correctly.

Having 90' elbows on your plumbing you waste the
pump power - each elbow is like a foot hight, so
the flow rate you get from the pump is much lesser...

I use 2" thin wall pvc pipe.

And what kind of pump ?

I also do not drill the sump, but I use internal pump
like quiet one 3000 which has enough flow for my 58 g.

I like external pumps because when the electricity comes
on they kick on, as they are real motors, and not vibrator
pumps. Also less heat transfer.

Do not experience problems with starting of my pump.
Power outages are quire frequent in my area.
Powerheads like quiet one 3000 give you more water
movement per watt of electricity than external pumps.

Reef sumps by ESHOPPS
 

Pszemol wrote on 10/31/2006 3:46 PM:
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
k.net...
Pszemol wrote on 10/31/2006 12:16 PM:

Using seaweed requires the sump to be lighted.

Yep, and many people are liking the benefits that refugiums provide.

Refugium and lighted sumps are not the same thing...
If you have high water flow than it is not refugium
anymore - all the plankton will be swept away to the
pump or the sponge on the way to the pump.

It's still a refugium for algae, and pods, but yea there
are other things that won't stay in there with strong
water, but a larger sump with space for slow water will work.


Not using baffles you are dealing with air bubbles
going into the return pump and geting into the tank.
How do you deal with air bubbles?

Live rock rubble in the sump takes all the bubbles out.

Do you have any drawing you could share to ilustrate
the way you design your sumps?

Ok, I just got some pictures up of the third cement tank.
I need to get more up, but, here's some pictures of the sump.

http://waynesallee.com/thirdcementtankpictures.htm


Also, occupying sump with live rock you have no room
there left for placing skimmer, phosphate reaktor
and other devices people normally put in the sump.

I have room for a 1,000 gph protein skimmer in my sump, and room for
carbon and any other bags of media I may want in there, currently
experimenting with a bag of sulfur.

I find the bags in the sump very inefficient solution.
Water finds its way around the media bag and does not
penetrate carbon correctly.

I don't find it to be a problem.


Having 90' elbows on your plumbing you waste the
pump power - each elbow is like a foot hight, so
the flow rate you get from the pump is much lesser...

I use 2" thin wall pvc pipe.

And what kind of pump ?

Little Giant 4mdqxsc


I also do not drill the sump, but I use internal pump
like quiet one 3000 which has enough flow for my 58 g.

I like external pumps because when the electricity comes on they kick
on, as they are real motors, and not vibrator pumps. Also less heat
transfer.

Do not experience problems with starting of my pump.
Power outages are quire frequent in my area.
Powerheads like quiet one 3000 give you more water
movement per watt of electricity than external pumps.

After a while just like powerheads, they start to wear,
and don't want to start back up. The pump I use will start
to squeal from the wearing of the bearings, first
chirping, and then longer to becoming squeals, long before
it fails from wear.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

Reef sumps by ESHOPPS
 

You can also see pictures of my home tank (built before
this last one) at http://waynesallee.com/plumbingpictures.htm

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Wayne Sallee wrote on 10/31/2006 5:41 PM:


Pszemol wrote on 10/31/2006 3:46 PM:
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
k.net...
Pszemol wrote on 10/31/2006 12:16 PM:

Using seaweed requires the sump to be lighted.

Yep, and many people are liking the benefits that refugiums provide.

Refugium and lighted sumps are not the same thing...
If you have high water flow than it is not refugium
anymore - all the plankton will be swept away to the
pump or the sponge on the way to the pump.

It's still a refugium for algae, and pods, but yea there are other
things that won't stay in there with strong water, but a larger sump
with space for slow water will work.


Not using baffles you are dealing with air bubbles
going into the return pump and geting into the tank.
How do you deal with air bubbles?

Live rock rubble in the sump takes all the bubbles out.

Do you have any drawing you could share to ilustrate
the way you design your sumps?

Ok, I just got some pictures up of the third cement tank. I need to get
more up, but, here's some pictures of the sump.

http://waynesallee.com/thirdcementtankpictures.htm


Also, occupying sump with live rock you have no room
there left for placing skimmer, phosphate reaktor
and other devices people normally put in the sump.

I have room for a 1,000 gph protein skimmer in my sump, and room for
carbon and any other bags of media I may want in there, currently
experimenting with a bag of sulfur.

I find the bags in the sump very inefficient solution.
Water finds its way around the media bag and does not
penetrate carbon correctly.

I don't find it to be a problem.


Having 90' elbows on your plumbing you waste the
pump power - each elbow is like a foot hight, so
the flow rate you get from the pump is much lesser...

I use 2" thin wall pvc pipe.

And what kind of pump ?

Little Giant 4mdqxsc


I also do not drill the sump, but I use internal pump
like quiet one 3000 which has enough flow for my 58 g.

I like external pumps because when the electricity comes on they kick
on, as they are real motors, and not vibrator pumps. Also less heat
transfer.

Do not experience problems with starting of my pump.
Power outages are quire frequent in my area.
Powerheads like quiet one 3000 give you more water
movement per watt of electricity than external pumps.

After a while just like powerheads, they start to wear, and don't want
to start back up. The pump I use will start to squeal from the wearing
of the bearings, first chirping, and then longer to becoming squeals,
long before it fails from wear.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

Reef sumps by ESHOPPS
 

"Pszemol" wrote in :

Anybody here using reef sumps made by ESHOPPS ?
Here is the link: http://www.eshopps.com/reefsump.php

I saw them yesterday in a local pet store, they
are quite expensive: RS-200 is about $200...

I was wondering if they are good and if they can
be purchased somewhere online little bit cheaper.

It's remarkably easy to make your own out of a tank, like Wayne said. I
made one from a 20L. The water flows over a couple of baffles and I have no
problem with bubbles.


Mark

Reef sumps by ESHOPPS
 

Pszemol wrote on 10/31/2006 3:46 PM:
Powerheads like quiet one 3000 give you more water
movement per watt of electricity than external pumps.

Yes, that's correct. Because of their design, they will
use less electricity. External motors don't use the
vibrator pump method, but are actual motors that continue
to move the shaft in the same direction until it gets into
the next position, and then the next electrical contact is
made, forcing it into the next position, and so on, and so
they use more electricity.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets