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With all the conflab recently about tainted pet food and
toothpaste imported from China, I started to wonder how toxic the
frozen brine shrimp, bloodworms, etc also manufactured and packaged
there might be to our fish.
I asked at my LFS, and they said that, although made in China,
the brand they carried was "sterilized" (Hmmm.). I note that the
"Frostbites" brand carried by Walmart also originates in China.

Just wondering...
Blair.

"blair thompson" wrote in message
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With all the conflab recently about tainted pet food and
toothpaste imported from China, I started to wonder how toxic the
frozen brine shrimp, bloodworms, etc also manufactured and packaged
there might be to our fish.
I asked at my LFS, and they said that, although made in China,
the brand they carried was "sterilized" (Hmmm.). I note that the
"Frostbites" brand carried by Walmart also originates in China.

Just wondering...
Blair.
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I've stopped buying anything edible from China. Sterilizing food doesn't
remove the non-edible and toxic filler products they add to the food. If it
was made in China too it out.
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
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"Reel McKoi" wrote in message
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"blair thompson" wrote in message
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With all the conflab recently about tainted pet food and
toothpaste imported from China, I started to wonder how toxic the
frozen brine shrimp, bloodworms, etc also manufactured and packaged
there might be to our fish.
I asked at my LFS, and they said that, although made in China,
the brand they carried was "sterilized" (Hmmm.). I note that the
"Frostbites" brand carried by Walmart also originates in China.

Just wondering...
Blair.
========================
I've stopped buying anything edible from China. Sterilizing food doesn't
remove the non-edible and toxic filler products they add to the food. If
it was made in China too it out.

I agree, but it is impossible now to determine ingredients in say Tetramin
Oranda etc. or for that matter any other brand....they are not required to
indicate where each ingredient comes from, and the same concoction in the
news is in almost all dried fish food.

"Telstar" wrote in message
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I agree, but it is impossible now to determine ingredients in say Tetramin
Oranda etc. or for that matter any other brand....they are not required to
indicate where each ingredient comes from, and the same concoction in the
news is in almost all dried fish food.
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This is so true. Where does it leave us? I'll continue to use the fish
foods I have, but sure wouldn't buy anything made in China.
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

On Jul 18, 12:01?am, "Reel McKoi" wrote:

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This is so true. Where does it leave us? I'll continue to use the fish
foods I have, but sure wouldn't buy anything made in China.

You also need to consider that just like certain ingredients in foods,
many things are made with "parts" from other countries.
So, even though they're being made in the US, they could actually be
100% non American.
Yrs back we had a '93 Chevy Corsica. Something broke down and needed
replacing. I forget what it was, but the old part was made of metal
and the new part was nearly all plastic, and made in China. Buncha
crap it was, that's for sure.
Refusing to buy anything made in China is going to be quite a
challange.
One thing I won't stop buying, is Hikari frozen fish foods. It's the
best on the market right now.
Even the largest competitor's (Sally's -- San Fran Bay brand) can't
hold a candle to it.
I checked the back of the package and it says "Product of China",
however, above it-- It says Hikari USA...and has a California address.
Without calling the directly, which they do have an 800 # listed, I
don't know whether the ones we have in the US are made in California,
or if the packaging is..or vice versa. It doesn't say.

Tynk wrote in news:1184846711.404474.191790@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:

On Jul 18, 12:01?am, "Reel McKoi" wrote:

====================================
This is so true. Where does it leave us? I'll continue to use the fish
foods I have, but sure wouldn't buy anything made in China.

You also need to consider that just like certain ingredients in foods,
many things are made with "parts" from other countries.
So, even though they're being made in the US, they could actually be
100% non American.
Yrs back we had a '93 Chevy Corsica. Something broke down and needed
replacing. I forget what it was, but the old part was made of metal
and the new part was nearly all plastic, and made in China. Buncha
crap it was, that's for sure.
Refusing to buy anything made in China is going to be quite a
challange.
One thing I won't stop buying, is Hikari frozen fish foods. It's the
best on the market right now.
Even the largest competitor's (Sally's -- San Fran Bay brand) can't
hold a candle to it.
I checked the back of the package and it says "Product of China",
however, above it-- It says Hikari USA...and has a California address.
Without calling the directly, which they do have an 800 # listed, I
don't know whether the ones we have in the US are made in California,
or if the packaging is..or vice versa. It doesn't say.

"Product of China" means that the content is fully Chinese in origin. I
don't think it matters much in the case of Hikari frozen food, there's
almost nothing you need to do to seafood to preserve it, other than freeze
it quickly after processing, and keep your processing machinery clean.

If anyone is interested, melamine was discovered in US commerical fish-farm
feedstock, but didn't cause as much of a stir in that industry, as the
concentrations were much much lower. I don't know of any tropical pellet
or flake maker who has been a part of that supply chain.

In fisheries, the supply chain parties were;
- Ziegler (a feed maker for commercial fisheries, whose tainted product was
a shrimp pellet, which had binders and fillers in it)
- Uniscope (a company which made the binder, and sold it to Ziegler)
- Trembec (a Canadian company which made a resin, containing melamine,
which Uniscope used to make its binder)

If anyone ends up calling their fish food supplier, you can ask if any of
these three companies are suppliers to your food vendor.

Regards,
DaveZ

On Jul 19, 9:03?am, atomweaver wrote:
Tynk wrote in news:1184846711.404474.191790@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:

On Jul 18, 12:01?am, "Reel McKoi" wrote:

====================================
This is so true. Where does it leave us? I'll continue to use the fish
foods I have, but sure wouldn't buy anything made in China.

You also need to consider that just like certain ingredients in foods,
many things are made with "parts" from other countries.
So, even though they're being made in the US, they could actually be
100% non American.
Yrs back we had a '93 Chevy Corsica. Something broke down and needed
replacing. I forget what it was, but the old part was made of metal
and the new part was nearly all plastic, and made in China. Buncha
crap it was, that's for sure.
Refusing to buy anything made in China is going to be quite a
challange.
One thing I won't stop buying, is Hikari frozen fish foods. It's the
best on the market right now.
Even the largest competitor's (Sally's -- San Fran Bay brand) can't
hold a candle to it.
I checked the back of the package and it says "Product of China",
however, above it-- It says Hikari USA...and has a California address.
Without calling the directly, which they do have an 800 # listed, I
don't know whether the ones we have in the US are made in California,
or if the packaging is..or vice versa. It doesn't say.

"Product of China" means that the content is fully Chinese in origin. I
don't think it matters much in the case of Hikari frozen food, there's
almost nothing you need to do to seafood to preserve it, other than freeze
it quickly after processing, and keep your processing machinery clean.

If anyone is interested, melamine was discovered in US commerical fish-farm
feedstock, but didn't cause as much of a stir in that industry, as the
concentrations were much much lower. I don't know of any tropical pellet
or flake maker who has been a part of that supply chain.

In fisheries, the supply chain parties were;
- Ziegler (a feed maker for commercial fisheries, whose tainted product was
a shrimp pellet, which had binders and fillers in it)
- Uniscope (a company which made the binder, and sold it to Ziegler)
- Trembec (a Canadian company which made a resin, containing melamine,
which Uniscope used to make its binder)

If anyone ends up calling their fish food supplier, you can ask if any of
these three companies are suppliers to your food vendor.

Regards,
DaveZ- Hide quoted text -

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Thanks for that info, Dave!
I'm sure it'll help many folks out.

"Tynk" wrote in message
ups.com...
I checked the back of the package and it says "Product of China",
however, above it-- It says Hikari USA...and has a California address.
Without calling the directly, which they do have an 800 # listed, I
don't know whether the ones we have in the US are made in California,
or if the packaging is..or vice versa. It doesn't say.
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Since it says product of China, I would assume the food was produced there -
hopefully under the watchful eyes of Hikari.

Avoiding any kind of food stuff from China may be difficult, but I'm willing
to give it a go.
--

RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

On Jul 22, 11:53?am, "Reel McKoi" wrote:

Since it says product of China, I would assume the food was produced there -
hopefully under the watchful eyes of Hikari.

Avoiding any kind of food stuff from China may be difficult, but I'm willing
to give it a go.
--

Well I'm not giving up Hikari frozen foods, that's for sure.
The only thing that would even get me to consider it would be another
brand having the same quality.
So far, none of them come even close, hands down.

On Jul 25, 3:28?pm, Like you do not know!
wrote:

Utter nonsense deleted, as well as the crossposts that ROY added to
this thread.
Once again he has changed his name, but he can't hide the stupid!