Floating Oranda
 

Hi
I'm new here. I have two darling Red Orandas that I've become quite
attached to. My husband is the person with the fish knowledge, but he has
Koi and Guppies.

One of my Orandas seems to float at the top of the tank quite a bit,
especially after they eat. I'm wondering if he's gulping in air with his
food. I've been feeding them flakes, but we also have pellets for them. I
read the Goldfish Care for Newbies that someone kindly posted a link for.
It sounded like we should wet the flakes and then squeeze the air out of
them so they'd sink.

My husband is also very good about cleaning the tank for me and changing the
water. I can't supply you with PH and the other stuff mentioned in some
other posts right now, but will ask him if we have the equipment to test for
those numbers.

Any thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated. TIA

Shelagh

Floating Oranda
 

HI Shelagh

You don't have to "wet" the flakes and squeeze them. What I do is take a
small cup (was part of a doll's tea set, actually), partially fill it with
water and add the flakes to it. You will notice them sink to the bottom.
This is when to give them to the fish. The air is out so they sunk...

My oranda floats like that occasionally as well. I believe it has to do
with the shape of their bodies. He is fine otherwise, but will stay at the
top when at rest, and not all the time. He seems to do it for a few weeks,
and then is fine for a few weeks.

Some other suggestions are to not feed the fish for one day per week, to let
their digestive system clean out. Also give one meal of peas - frozen,
thawed and de-shelled. Also cut into bite-sized pieces according to fish
size. I don't feed my fish for 24 hours before I clean out their tanks, and
I follow this "fast" with the peas. I also give peas one other meal during
the week, for 2x weekly.

Tammy


"Shillelagh" wrote in message
...
Hi
I'm new here. I have two darling Red Orandas that I've become quite
attached to. My husband is the person with the fish knowledge, but he has
Koi and Guppies.

One of my Orandas seems to float at the top of the tank quite a bit,
especially after they eat. I'm wondering if he's gulping in air with his
food. I've been feeding them flakes, but we also have pellets for them.
I
read the Goldfish Care for Newbies that someone kindly posted a link for.
It sounded like we should wet the flakes and then squeeze the air out of
them so they'd sink.

My husband is also very good about cleaning the tank for me and changing
the
water. I can't supply you with PH and the other stuff mentioned in some
other posts right now, but will ask him if we have the equipment to test
for
those numbers.

Any thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated. TIA

Shelagh

Floating Oranda
 

One of my Orandas seems to float at the top of the tank quite a bit,
especially after they eat. I'm wondering if he's gulping in air with his
food.

Yes he's gulping air if feeding at the water surface. Feed sinking food -
pellets best for the larger fish. Pre-soak the food so it sinks. Gulping air
can cause floating.

Floating Oranda
 

It does sound like he is suffering form a mild swimbladder problem. High
nitrates have been linked to this so it is important that you test your
water parameters (ammonia, nitrite and nitrate) as soon as you can.
STarving the fish for 3 days then feeding nothing but defrosted frozen peas,
shelled and chopped for another 3 days often does the trick for mild cases
so it would be worth a try (it wont hurt your other one to follow the same
regime). It is also a good idea to feed peas twice a week in order to keep
it from happening again.
Flakes aren't that great for goldfish - high protein sinking pellets are
generally best.
Mel.

"MartinOsirus" wrote in message
...
One of my Orandas seems to float at the top of the tank quite a bit,
especially after they eat. I'm wondering if he's gulping in air with
his
food.

Yes he's gulping air if feeding at the water surface. Feed sinking food -
pellets best for the larger fish. Pre-soak the food so it sinks. Gulping
air
can cause floating.

Floating Oranda
 

Thanks to all of you for your replies. They were very helpful; and I do
have some frozen peas, so will do that today.

BTW, I had a peek this a.m.(didn't want to wake them up yet), and he was
floating mid-tank with the other one.

I'll keep lurking, and will ask more questions if needed.

Shelagh

Floating Oranda
 

http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/...htm#essentials
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/disea...ing%20problems

"Shillelagh" wrote:


Thanks to all of you for your replies. They were very helpful; and I do
have some frozen peas, so will do that today.

BTW, I had a peek this a.m.(didn't want to wake them up yet), and he was
floating mid-tank with the other one.
I'll keep lurking, and will ask more questions if needed.

Shelagh




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Floating Oranda
 

Mel,

Where does it say that high nitrates are connected to swim bladder problem?

Tom L.L.
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"Mel" wrote in message
...
It does sound like he is suffering form a mild swimbladder problem. High
nitrates have been linked to this so it is important that you test your
water parameters (ammonia, nitrite and nitrate) as soon as you can.
STarving the fish for 3 days then feeding nothing but defrosted frozen
peas,
shelled and chopped for another 3 days often does the trick for mild cases
so it would be worth a try (it wont hurt your other one to follow the
same
regime). It is also a good idea to feed peas twice a week in order to keep
it from happening again.
Flakes aren't that great for goldfish - high protein sinking pellets are
generally best.
Mel.

"MartinOsirus" wrote in message
...
One of my Orandas seems to float at the top of the tank quite a bit,
especially after they eat. I'm wondering if he's gulping in air with
his
food.

Yes he's gulping air if feeding at the water surface. Feed sinking
food -
pellets best for the larger fish. Pre-soak the food so it sinks.
Gulping
air
can cause floating.

Floating Oranda
 

wrote in message
...
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/...htm#essentials

http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/disea...ing%20problems
BTW, I had a peek this a.m.(didn't want to wake them up yet), and he was
floating mid-tank with the other one.
I'll keep lurking, and will ask more questions if needed.

Shelagh

Thanks for the links - I have put them in my "favourites" (and read them
too). When I said the fish was "floating mid-tank" today, I meant that he
looked okay. He's been swimming fine, and hasn't been floating up at the
top. We're probably going to do some clean up and water exchange tomorrow.

I fed them the peas and they really gobbled them up. How often should I
feed them the peas?

Shelagh

Floating Oranda
 

Do you need a reference for everything written here? g
I haven't got a specific source but from my own experience I have found that
when people have fish with swimbladder problems the nitrates are often
elevated far above the recommended minimum of 20. I have also read of
research being done into this and links being found between the two but
unfortunately it was a while ago and I cant remember where I read it.
However, even if nitrates aren't linked to swimbladder problems, it's well
worth checking them and lowering them if necessary as if they are too high
they will weaken the fish and make it harder for it to overcome any health
problems which might arise/have already arisen.
Mel.


"Tom La Bron" wrote in message
...
Mel,

Where does it say that high nitrates are connected to swim bladder
problem?

Tom L.L.
---------------------------------------
"Mel" wrote in message
...
It does sound like he is suffering form a mild swimbladder problem. High
nitrates have been linked to this so it is important that you test your
water parameters (ammonia, nitrite and nitrate) as soon as you can.
STarving the fish for 3 days then feeding nothing but defrosted frozen
peas,
shelled and chopped for another 3 days often does the trick for mild
cases
so it would be worth a try (it wont hurt your other one to follow the
same
regime). It is also a good idea to feed peas twice a week in order to
keep
it from happening again.
Flakes aren't that great for goldfish - high protein sinking pellets are
generally best.
Mel.

"MartinOsirus" wrote in message
...
One of my Orandas seems to float at the top of the tank quite a
bit,
especially after they eat. I'm wondering if he's gulping in air
with
his
food.

Yes he's gulping air if feeding at the water surface. Feed sinking
food -
pellets best for the larger fish. Pre-soak the food so it sinks.
Gulping
air
can cause floating.

Floating Oranda
 

Mel,

Yes, in this case I think you do need collateral resource material. The
reason I ask is that I do have research that shows that Goldfish are fine
with high nitrates. Personally, I try to keep mine at or below 50ppm by
using philodendrons in my tanks and tubs, but I very seldom even worry about
it. Woo and Bruno have probably done the most research around swim bladder
problems and never once have they ever mentioned a coorelation with nitrates
and they has three books to his credit. Also if nitrates are a probability
in affecting goldfish and swim bladder problems (and goldfish are tolerant
of nitrates) you would think that Noga and Stoskopf would mention it in
their books about this correlation and they don't because many other fish
are a lot less tolerant of nitrates than Goldfish. So that is the reason I
asked for reference, because what you said does not agree with established
research.

Tom L.L.
--------------------------------------
"Mel" wrote in message
...
Do you need a reference for everything written here? g
I haven't got a specific source but from my own experience I have found
that
when people have fish with swimbladder problems the nitrates are often
elevated far above the recommended minimum of 20. I have also read of
research being done into this and links being found between the two but
unfortunately it was a while ago and I cant remember where I read it.
However, even if nitrates aren't linked to swimbladder problems, it's well
worth checking them and lowering them if necessary as if they are too high
they will weaken the fish and make it harder for it to overcome any health
problems which might arise/have already arisen.
Mel.


"Tom La Bron" wrote in message
...
Mel,

Where does it say that high nitrates are connected to swim bladder
problem?

Tom L.L.
---------------------------------------
"Mel" wrote in message
...
It does sound like he is suffering form a mild swimbladder problem.
High
nitrates have been linked to this so it is important that you test
your
water parameters (ammonia, nitrite and nitrate) as soon as you can.
STarving the fish for 3 days then feeding nothing but defrosted frozen
peas,
shelled and chopped for another 3 days often does the trick for mild
cases
so it would be worth a try (it wont hurt your other one to follow the
same
regime). It is also a good idea to feed peas twice a week in order to
keep
it from happening again.
Flakes aren't that great for goldfish - high protein sinking pellets
are
generally best.
Mel.

"MartinOsirus" wrote in message
...
One of my Orandas seems to float at the top of the tank quite a
bit,
especially after they eat. I'm wondering if he's gulping in air
with
his
food.

Yes he's gulping air if feeding at the water surface. Feed sinking
food -
pellets best for the larger fish. Pre-soak the food so it sinks.
Gulping
air
can cause floating.