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Old August 22nd 05, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Elaine T
Daniel Morrow wrote:
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I lost 2 clown loaches yesterday. They were both new to the tank...
about 2 weeks old....2" in size. I have plenty of rock set up for
cover, several plants and other fish in the tank. The loaches were the
only ones Affected. Temp stays at 78-80 with under gravel and top
filters and a 7 ph. After reading several threads here... I removed all
carbon from filters and treated the tank with "Quick Cure" at about 1/2
required dose. Both loaches went into an immediate frenzy for about 2-3
minutes...it seemed like i poisoned them... swimming and shuddering all
over the tank. Then they laid about with very little movement but
seemed to be breathing fine... gills were moving.. and upright. I found
them both dead this morning. Could it have been something other then
"ick"? Looked like ick, acted like ick, but treatment had a very bad
effect. Any Ideas before I replace these loaches????



You used full strength anti-ich medicine on clown loaches and no other fish
were effected because the medicine is only mean't to be used at full
strength on decent sized scaled fish. Clown loaches have no scales so these
medicines effect them badly, you need to give them half dose for a longer
period of time. Any experts care to chime in? Later!

AGAIN no other

fish were affected.

Thanks
I guess I'm not the #1 daddy anymore.


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nmbr1ddy




My server dropped the original post, so I'm replying here.

I'm sorry you lost your fish. Half strength Quick Cure should not have
killed your clowns like that unless something else was wrong. It
strikes me as odd that it took the ich two weeks to appear. Ich can
live invisibly in the gills of fish, so one possibility is that the
fish's gills have been infected for the whole two weeks (and maybe
longer) and appropriate medicine was too much stress. Was there ammonia
or nitrite in the water? Copper or other medicines? Plenty of surface
turbulance or aeration?

Before you replace the loaches, give the tank two more weeks to be sure
ich doesn't show up on any of your other fish. Monitor ammonia,
nitrite, pH, and temperature as you have been, and do a couple of water
changes to be sure nitrates are low. Above all, watch your fish for the
early signs of ich, heavy gilling and "flashing" - rubbing against
decorations. Don't panic and treat - healthy fish can fight off ich -
but take it as a sign to wait longer before you add fish.

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I was so happy to have the clown loaches I had watched them closely. I tested regularly and again once I saw the spots. All tests were in the ok or safe range ph7.2-7.8, hardness between 75-150 closer to 75, nitrate(n03) 0 and nitrite (no2) at .05 or less. The spots appeared overnight.Only change to routine was hikari algae wafers for 2 days prior to spots. When I applied the quick cure it was at about half strength diluted in a quart of the water change. That's why I was wondering if it was something other than "ICK" and if so how should I treat the whole tank before replacing Clowns. I have added the quick cure again after 48hrs with water change, and will do so wednesday as well. Again... No other fish affected.

Thank you all for your replies.