Look folks, feel free to continue this asinine thread without me if you
want, but at least stop crossposting to rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish.
This discussion appears to have started
in alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian (a group that always has halfwits and
loonies flaming each other) and has long ago drifted from goldfish to
dogs, which is definitely OFF-TOPIC here.

I'd just like to say a couple of more things: Rudy, you're a smart guy
and usually know what you're talking about. But you need to improve your
manners otherwise people won't take you seriously, and David will just
claim the moral high ground and gain sympathy by acting innocent. David,
you need to stop looking for fights and to get a formal education - your
lack of comprehension of the most basic scientific procedures and
established philosophical principles makes you unqualified to adequately
handle any debate about consciousness, self-awareness, or experiments
measuring animal intelligence in general.

- Logic316



"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and
give the wrong answers."