On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:17:55 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote:

David ****wit Harrison lied:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:34:42 -0400, Logic316 wrote:


David,
you need to stop looking for fights and to get a formal education - your
lack of comprehension of the most basic scientific procedures and
established philosophical principles makes you unqualified to adequately
handle any debate about consciousness, self-awareness, or experiments
measuring animal intelligence in general.

- Logic316


The mirror test shows an individual's ability to understand reflection.

No. The mirror test shows an animal's self-awareness.

It really can't show that at all. A person will always have to wonder
if they're willing to think about it, if the animal simply has no concept
of its image being reflected, or maybe it has a concept of its own image
that is so different from reality that it would never consider the mirror
image to be itself. Both of those are much more likely than that it has
no concept of itself at all. It must have some concepts of itself, even
if those concepts only involve its own flavor, scent, etc. It could also
have other concepts, such as of itself running, or of itself eating, or
playing, etc. Such things are admittedly beyond your ability to consider,
but they are quite likely non the less.