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Rudy Canoza wrote:

Dogs clearly do not have the next three.


And you have no evidence that they don't.

Not my burden of proof, dumbo. If you assert that
something is so, it is up to you to support your claim.

Get busy.


Yes Rudy, get busy supporting your claim. I have done my part already.

You've done ****ing nothing. You've made an assertion
- "dogs are self aware" - and you have done nothing to
support it. Stop lying.

It is impermissible in debate for you to make a claim,
then say that because no one else has disproved it, the
claim must be true. That is not a proof of the truth
of your claim. If you weren't an ignorant ****, you'd
know that.


Where have I said that dogs are self-aware? Please, quote me where I
have said that. If you could control your language and temper, and
actually take the time to read and understand, you would realise that
never have I claimed that dogs are self-aware, and that YOU are
repeatedly claiming that they are not self-aware without anything to
support your claim.

Of course I have "anything" to support it, you ****wit.
The support is that there is NO evidence that they
ARE self aware, given what self awareness *means*.
Don't you get it, you moron? The absence of evidence
that they are is prima facie evidence that they are not.

I assert that dogs have no sense of the past and
future, because humans DO have such a sense, and dogs
do nothing that we recognize as indicating such a
sense. That does not conclusively show that they don't
have a sense of past and future, because they could
have it in ways that we cannot (yet) recognize. But
people have LOOKED for this in other animals, and not
found anything. The tentative scientific conclusion,
then, is that until such time as someone finds
something that indicates dogs do have such a sense, we
conclude that they do not. Similarly with self
awareness: we have defined self awareness in such a
way that, if a species has it generally, we expect
individual members of that species to exhibit this or
this or this behavior. We don't see such behavior, and
so we tentatively conclude that they don't have self
awareness.

The burden of proof is entirely on those who assert
they *do* have it to show evidence for it. So far, no
one has.