Koi-lo wrote:
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Koi-lo wrote:
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Koi-Lo wrote:

Goldfish get large, up to 12" under excellent conditions so a 3g
tank is
much to small. Can you replace this with a 10g tank?

Depending on the type of feeder, some can reach 16".
AND, knowing that why would you recommend them getting a 10g tank, just
to have to buy another larger tank later on??

Most people will be willing to buy a 10 g tank. Few will pull out the money
for a 20Long for a 25¢ feeder. If the feeder lives long enough to outgrow
the 10g, they're usually willing to go for the 20L because they're attached
to the fish by then. :-)

Feeder Goldies are the ones that should have 15-20 gallons PER
Goldfish.

See above. Few survive that long for a variety of reasons, as you have to
realize.

The smaller, fancy types are the ones that can be stuffed into a 10g by
it's self with no other tank mates.

That's not a real good situation either. Some fancies can get pretty large
and bulky. A 10 would be pushing it. A 10g for a small feeder would be
fine for awhile.

Your statement floored me, as you are supposed to be so knowledgeable
in Goldfish.

Be floored! ;-) If one in 50 of these feeders survive to need more than
a 10g tank I'd be FLOORED.

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Most people will be willing to buy a 10 g tank. Few will pull out
the money
for a 20Long for a 25¢ feeder. If the feeder lives long enough to outgrow
the 10g, they're usually willing to go for the 20L because they're attached
to the fish by then. :-)

Hmm.....
So in your opinion, it's better to tell them incorrect information at
first...and then after they think they're doing fine for the fish only
to find out later on that they need another larger tank, because they
weren't told this in the first place?
Sorry. To me that's very wrong. It's not fair to the fish or to the
keeper.
Tell them the truth in the first place!
As for Goldie feeders not living long enoug to outgrow a 10g
tank...that's usually from the poor water conditions they were being
kept in. If done right, they'll be living great for nearly 20 yrs in
their large tank.
I have talked to hundreds of folks that have been told a 10g tank is
fine. Then the fish out grows it quickly and they're ticked off that
they weren't told the right info in the first place...when they could
have just bought the right tank before. Instead, they have to purchase
another set up. Too often people do not want to do that! They end up
leaving the poor fish in the tiny tank till it dies when they could've
had the right set up in the first place.
Telling somebody incorrect information, even if it's *just for now* is
bullcrap!
If you are taking on the responsibility to give out advice, it should
at least be correct, and fully, not just partly correct.
If you tell a person a 10g will be fine for that feeder Goldie...add to
it right then and there that they will have to purchase a much larger
set up in the near future. At least that gives them the chance to buy
the right set up the first time, or it prepares them for the fact they
this tank is only temporary.
I cannot understand why don't ge that.