Koi-lo wrote:
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\ Your tank is really too small for goldfish.
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Koi-Lo wrote:
Goldfish get large, up to 12" under excellent conditions so a 3g
tank is
much to small. Can you replace this with a 10g tank?
Depending on the type of feeder, some can reach 16".
AND, knowing that why would you recommend them getting a 10g tank, just
to have to buy another larger tank later on??
Most people will be willing to buy a 10 g tank. Few will pull out the
money
for a 20Long for a 25¢ feeder. If the feeder lives long enough to outgrow
the 10g, they're usually willing to go for the 20L because they're
attached
to the fish by then. :-)
Feeder Goldies are the ones that should have 15-20 gallons PER
Goldfish.
See above. Few survive that long for a variety of reasons, as you haveto
realize.
The smaller, fancy types are the ones that can be stuffed into a 10g by
it's self with no other tank mates.
That's not a real good situation either. Some fancies can get pretty
large
and bulky. A 10 would be pushing it. A 10g for a small feeder would be
fine for awhile.
Your statement floored me, as you are supposed to be so knowledgeable
in Goldfish.
Be floored! ;-) If one in 50 of these feeders survive to need more
than
a 10g tank I'd be FLOORED.
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Most people will be willing to buy a 10 g tank. Few will pull out
the money
for a 20Long for a 25¢ feeder. If the feeder lives long enough to outgrow
the 10g, they're usually willing to go for the 20L because they're
attached
to the fish by then. :-)
Hmm.....
So in your opinion, it's better to tell them incorrect information at
first...
No, it's better to start them off slowly and let them build up to larger
tanks like most of us do - especially considering the feeder will probably
not live long enough to outgrow the 10g tank. You can't seem to grasp the
fact that people who spend 20 cents on a fish in many cases can't even
afford a 10g tank and all it's trappings, or would not want to if they
could.
and then after they think they're doing fine for the fish only
to find out later on that they need another larger tank, because they
weren't told this in the first place?
See above.
Sorry. To me that's very wrong. It's not fair to the fish or to the
keeper.
Sorry. To me it isn't wrong as you can tell them at the time they will
probably need a larger tank if the fish survives with good care and feeding
as I would. I didn't say to LIE to them and tell them a GF will not outgrow
a 10g tank - and many don't. To expect a person to buy a .20 fish then
spend another $80 on a 20g tank is absurd.
Tell them the truth in the first place!
See above.
As for Goldie feeders not living long enoug to outgrow a 10g
tank...that's usually from the poor water conditions they were being
kept in. If done right, they'll be living great for nearly 20 yrs in
their large tank.
WOW!!! Big news huh? You can't seem to grasp that these fish will rarely
be alive in a year simply because of poor care and ignorance on the owners
part, or just lack of interest after a few weeks or months. When the
novelty wears off bye bye fish. I've seen it repeatedly over the years.
I have talked to hundreds of folks that have been told a 10g tank is
fine. Then the fish out grows it quickly and they're ticked off that
they weren't told the right info in the first place...
Hundreds of 20 cent fish buyers who bought 10g tanks???? LOL!!! A 10g is
fine to start with (if you can even get them to spend that much on a
feeder) so your story doesn't hold water if you'll pardon my pun. Most
people who buy a .20 fish are not dedicated fish people and will not spend
$80 on a set-up for the .20 fish. I worked in several stores over the years
and know this for a fact. Besides it doesn't matter what I say you will
find some reason to be nasty and disagree. JUST about everyone I knew who
bought a .20 goldfish or betta soon lost interest and either gave the fish
away or neglect killed it. They didn't have it long enough to outgrow a 10g
tank.
when they could
have just bought the right tank before. Instead, they have to purchase
another set up. Too often people do not want to do that! They end up
leaving the poor fish in the tiny tank till it dies when they could've
had the right set up in the first place.
See above.
Telling somebody incorrect information, even if it's *just for now* is
bullcrap!
Stop putting words in my mouth to show off. You're not impressing anyone.
You tell them if the fish lives it *MAY* outgrow the tank. Many GF do not.
If you are taking on the responsibility to give out advice, it should
at least be correct, and fully, not just partly correct.
It is correct.
If you tell a person a 10g will be fine for that feeder Goldie...
Telling them they MUST BUY a 20g tank for a .20 feeder is absurd. That as
absurd as telling people they need a 1 or 2g tank for a betta when most are
kept in small bowls. So you're telling them only PART of the truth so don't
sling mulm at me!
add to
it right then and there that they will have to purchase a much larger
set up in the near future.
They will? Since when to we have the RIGHT to dictate to someone else what
they will have to do in the future? The chance the feeder will even be
alive in a few week is almost nil that's what I never coerced them to buyan
$80+ set-up (the stands alone can be another $80) for their .20 fish. Even
the people who buy my GF are told to start small with a 10g tank and see if
they like fish keeping before spending a lot of money. I tell them if this
fish lives and thrives you will need to purchase a 20 or 30L down the road
and leave it up to them to decide what to spend and do.
At least that gives them the chance to buy
the right set up the first time, or it prepares them for the fact they
this tank is only temporary.
I cannot understand why don't ge that.
I can't understand why you can't grasp that someone spending .20 for a
feeder fish will *NOT* cough up another $80 to $160 for a set-up for the
fish, especially when the fish is for a child. In most cases of feeders it
was! I was happy to see them buy the 10g rather than a bowl that meant
certain death.
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You missed the entire point of telling them the whole truth first.
Koi-Lo wrote:
Goldfish get large, up to 12" under excellent conditions so a 3g tank
is
much to small. Can you replace this with a 10g tank?
You're telling a person who has a common Goldie, which reach between
14-16" long, have good sized body mass, to get a 10g tank. You made no
mention what so ever about needing a larger in the near future.
Hence the point of my problem with what you told them.
Why not tell them the entire truth?
You seem to have an issue with somebody paying $.20 for a Goldie. Some
of those poeple actually prefer them, enjoy them and would like to care
for them properly.
It doesn't matter how little it cost. It still deserves proper
treatment and proper housing!!
This is something you don't agree with.
Same with your treatment of Bettas. It doesn't matter how many idiots
house them in tiny bowls, it doesn't make it right for that fish!!
It cruel for them to be kept in such tiny bowls.
It's deadly to house a Goldfish in something too small. (either death
by polluted water from their own waste, or death from stunted growth.
That's when their growth is stunted and it also stunts their internal
organs making them croak way too soon.) Both of which are very, very
wrong, yet you seem to think it's perfectly fine.
It's not. It's cruel treatment.
It makes no difference what the poor thing cost.