"muddyfox" wrote in message
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Hi,

I bought a new betta a few weeks ago and noticed some spots on him as
soon as I got him home. (I bought from a lsf I have never used before
and will never use again now - I found out later that they had a bad
whitespot problem and were still selling the fish regardless.) At the
time it looked like very typical white spot and not much else (a few
small white sugar grain type spots on pectoral fin and on flank near
operculum) so I treated it using a malachite green based med by King
British but saw little change after two weeks (which was much longer
than I have ever had to treat before). The only difference was that
some of his old spots fell off and new ones appeared.

After taking some advice I cleared the tank of the old meds - put in
some active carbon (new to replace that which I had removed before
starting to medicate.) 48 hours wait and 3 X 50 % water changes and I
then gave protozin a try (by waterlife) which I think is methylene blue
based (being sure to remove the carbon again before dosing). I thought
it would be good to try because it is a broader ranging anti-parasitic
than the white spot. However this seemed to have even less effect than
the King British Med. The Ich got worse.

After more advice I tried adding aquarium salt and raising the
temperature to 85F. This seemed to have some effect but the betta
seemed very uncomfortable at that temperature and started sitting in
plants at the bottom of the tank with his fins spead out as if he was
trying to cool himself. I kept the tank like this for 3 days but gave
up on it in the end because I was worried about him being too hot.

I'm now trying the Interpet Whitespot treatment. I am on day 5 of this
now and the betta is not looking very much better. The typical Ich
spots are finally getting less (which is good) but now he seems to have
this white stuff under some of his scales which sometimes dangles out
and sometimes disappears (see picture at
http://www.muddylittletaoist.org.uk/...der-scales.jpg and at
http://www.muddylittletaoist.org.uk/betta-probs.jpg). ?anchor worm
?skin flukes? It seems that he might have more than one parasite
problem. I wouldn't be surprised given the things I've heard about the
shop in question since I got him.

Tank conditions a

NH3/NH4+ = 0 ppm
NO2 = 0 ppm
NO3 = 15 ppm (same as tap water)

Tank is 5 gallons (Imp) and is filtered and kept at 80F. I have 8
watts of light, plants and am running air bubbles to keep the O2 up
with the meds in. Normal waterchanges are 50% twice weekly but I've
had to adjust that around the meds (doing changes just before next
dose.)

Other behvaioural signs include flashing and hiding out at the bottom
of the tank (definitely not normal for him).

I really want this little guy to get better but I am all out of ideas.
I've tried everything I know and taken advice of very experienced
fishkeepers near here and still have a problem. All meds have been
given exactly according to manufacturer's instructions. I've never
experienced a fish illness which is so difficult to get on top of.
Have I misdiagnosed this? Does the betta have multiple problems? Or
am I doing something else wrong? I've successfully treated whitespot
before but nothing is getting him clean and well - I just don't know
where to go from here.

Please can you guys give me some advice? Have any of you ever had a
really persistant Ich problem? Or does he have another problem too? I
am quite prepared to tear down the tank - I can put the betta in the QT
tank while I do it (although it's not cycled.) Or maybe I should buy a
UV sterilizer (although I'm secretly hoping to win one in an offer in
PFK magazine). Maybe I can borrow one? At this point I will try
whatever works and is in the best interest of my fish.

Sorry to have rambled - I'm quite upset about all of this.

Thanks,

Muddy


Sorry about Mr. betta....it is frustrating when you buy them thinking they
are fine and they end up sick, My blue betta, who was wrote about all over
these boards went though the same thing, I paid 5.99$ for him, he ended up
costing so much more. However after a month he is on the road back to
healthy.
I seen your pic of your betta, Its hard to tell in pics but it does look
like ich, how small are the white spots, the size of a piece of salt or
bigger, any chance its fungus?
I know a lot of people on here know more about disease then me, but I can
tell you what I did when I was having problems with a couple of mine. I had
one with ich and another with fungus, I'm not sure what your dealing with so
I'll tell you both.
I have never used the meds you mentioned, so I am not sure about those. I
have used Rid ich+ for ich and its worked well for me, usually I don't see
no white spots after two days (but you need to treat longer then that)
I have also used applus+ antifungus, which is 2 treatments every 48 hours.
it also works well for fungus.

For my betta who had ich and unlike the others I could not get rid of it I
think because it was sick when I got it so not in good shape to start with.
I emptied the tank the only thing I left in it was the heater and a air
stone, no rocks, plants, filter ect. I used a 2 gl tank, Used the Rid ich+
every day till I seen no more spots, then continued to treat every three
days for two weeks, during that time I did complete water changes if not
every day every other day with premixed water, 1 teaspoon of aquarium salt
to 2 gallons of water. kept the heat at 82 degree's, At the end of the two
weeks it was gone.

Betta w/ fungus or tail/fin rot, after trying other things and him getting
close to dying, I got a betta bowl I guess they are 1/2 gl of water, maybe
less, again used nothing in it and use the premixed water 1 teaspoon
aquarium salt to 2 gl of water, changed his water every day, only feed a few
pieces of food at a time so none was left in water, used applus+ antifungus
the first day then again two days later, that was one treatment since he was
in bad shape I started another treatment after two days, so he got four
doses of the med over a weeks time, I started to see a change soon after,
after the meds I used melafix which I am still using, and he is now growing
his tail/fin back and eating a lot.
(if you put the betta in anything that is unable to have a heater make sure
they are in a warm room)

I don't know if either will help you at all, I also found some good pages on
betta disease I will post below for you, incase you have not seen them. I
really hope you are able to help him get better. Is there any change he is
being re-infected by the net, vacuum, or anything else that is being used in
the tank? I have found that with any betta disease complete water changes
help a lot, I think in cases where treatments are not working and your
unable to figure out why ......sometimes it best to go to the bare minimum,
removing things in the tank were it might be hiding or not getting taken
care of. How come you think it might be parasites, do you mean something
other then ich

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebI...tadiseases.htm
http://www.bettacentral.com/disease.htm
http://majesticbettas.com/diseases.htm
http://www.bettatalk.com/betta_diseases.htm

nik