Yes well your speech proves you to be a rude w@nker!
get over the experience thing. I have mates who have had reef setups for
decades. I have fellow specialist shops I can go chat with.
You are probably good at selling certain setups
sounds great
I keep fish alive and healthy and I do it with whatever I can.
experience is not always as important as research and asking questions
Who cares how I speak anyway
We are fish geeks hey
not royalty
get over yourself and educate me if you wanna try be all high and mighty!!!


"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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Your speech proves your lack of experience with reef tanks.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



swarvegorilla wrote on 10/15/2006 1:09 AM:
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dude have you ever heard of a 90 degree elbow?
I think a lot of the industry would be shocked to hear that air powered
sponge filters are no good for marine.
For fish only they are cheap, easy and last for yonks. For reef where
water movement is more important and maybe you'd like less filter
bacteria and more live rock life to try drop nitrates.
But that only works with low stocking levels.
With a tall tank despite usual wisdom saying that it should be a very
light stocking due to surface area, I would prob overstock it a bit.
Tall tanks need more fish to look good. It means more water changes and
more feeding though.
A good airpump can run a few filters and the skimmer.
Salt creep is pretty easy to take care of, good lids and a wipe or 2
the point I was trying to make is that
A marine tank can be set up on any budget.
With a powerhead or 2 to give the water movement needed there is no
reason sponge air filters cannot be used.
Yes maybe you may have to consider filter placement to cut down on salt
creep but it's the same nitrate cycle mate.
A powerhead pumping water thru a pipe into a bucket of small coral chunks
and draining out the bottem into the tank makes an ok filter.
Keep in mind that with good liverock and powerhead placement, plus the
advantage of strong lights the tank will have other natural forms of
bio-filtration occuring.
Bio accumulation of nutrients into algae,bacteria mulm or in O2 zeron
environs into N2 gas.
What is more important than having the latest gear is having good
husbandry practises with the tools at hand.
Never believe the hype I say, good food, nice clean warm water and
regular water changes.
If you are going to shoot for the moon, buy your liverock and coral foods
and use them. Have a local fish geek design your filter and lights setup.
And get on good terms with a good local lfs so you can cherry pick the
best liverock out of a big new shipment for your initial stocking of the
tank with rock.





"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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Sponge filtering is not a possibility that you want to use with a salt
water aquarium, much less a reef tank. They do however have a lot of
benefits for breeder tanks in fresh water, and some with salt water fry
tanks, but such a salt water tank would have lots of salt creep, and any
electrical cords or anything else electrical would be wet with salt
water.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Cindy wrote on 10/13/2006 7:18 PM:
* Pszemol wrote, On 10/13/2006 9:36 AM:
"swarvegorilla" wrote in message
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no not show tanks, selling tanks
I am sure the original poster was thinking about a show tank,
not quarantine, not grow-up tank, not wholeseller tank...
Show tanks are run with different equipment, so let's not mix this.
The original poster isn't the only one reading, and I for one like to
learn ALL the possibilities.

Cindy