swarvegorilla wrote:

I fail to see the problem.

It's just a matter of self-chosen principles. We chose
some principles and then we try to hold on to them
as close as it is possible, considering our personal
skills/money/needs of course.

Now I apologise if I was a bit blunt before
god knows you Poles have had a pretty rough time of it
And those of you left were either somehow smarter or better at hiding.

I think you are thinking about Balkan countries or
something, there was no such hard time in our country
in the seventies :-) We were just isolated, which
includes CNN :-)

the pack is still gonna thin the herd any chance it gets
cichlids are good at that

This is somehow good point.

using a pop top bottle to squirt water from the aquarium
into a fishes mouth and flush the fry out
into a bucket of aquarium water
takes 2 seconds, and 24 hours later the mother is swimming around
normal

Hmmm... you posted some nice passage before, something
about point of view... try the fish point of view during
the above procedure.

If I have to use vet administered hormone injections to spawn catfish
that would normally need to school in the hundreds to trigger a spawn
I do it.

Yeah, I heard about spawning catfish under higher water pressure too.

Mbuna for example crowd well
I defie anyone to prove that and overstocked over rocked tank full of
mbuna are unhappy if maintained well

Yes - maintained well. With proper filtration, proper water
changes, 0 mg NO2, up to 50 mg NO3. But a lots of those overcrowded
tanks are just fish soup, and owner just retrieves about 10 dead fish
monthly, thinking everything is OK, "BECAUSE THEY ARE SPAWNING,
SO THEY ARE HAPPY". In fact, this is a problem with Mbuna - they
spawn in almost all circumstances.

I also don't follow how producing quantity has anything to do with
quality

Hmmm. Ever had a swiss made watch? Ever seen an asian similar product?

Now I realise this conversation has no end point.

Of course, and it would not mean well if it had.

zebs, rustys and fullys are not going to die out anytime soon

Acc. to Red List, they are not endangered because there are
little left in the nature. The are vunerable, because they
are endemic to small territory, and because the flush time
of the Malawi lake is about 600 years. So some negative
influence, which would be a minor problem in Amazon for
example, would be fatal there.

If my comments are truely apprieciated by the purists here
I can just unsubscribe

You have to understand, that as your opinions are sometimes
unacceptable to me (for example, I would never skin a cat :-),
they are also valuable. Otherwise I would stop after first message.

ya can't make people do more frequent partial water changes

Yeah, but why should I stop trying?

But as it stands I am happy to defend milking/stripping

Hmmm, how close to porn can we get? :-)

Regards, milc, 500L Malawi Mbuna Tank