Tynk wrote:
On Sep 1, 3:21�pm, "Reel McKoi" wrote:





That's too sad. I wonder why this is happening to Neons for you.
Like Gill and Cardinals, I have great luck with Neons in my hard water
(harder than what you have), so it's got to be something other than
hard water. Food isn't the issue, as you have stated you fed the
better foods and a good variety.

My problem with Neons has always been NTD or them getting chomped by
larger fish - my Neons in with the Angels are much depleted now even
though I've never seen them attempt to attack in the day time - I read
that my Leopard Plec is potentially the culprit so won't be adding
anymore tetras into that tank....


It's a shame though, as a large school of either neons, cardinals or a
mix of the 2 will stop anyone in their tracks. All you can do is go
WOW = O.

This is precisely what I am doing in my old 4 foot tank.....it got it's
makeover today and most of the fish have been moved. I'm going for
planted with around 30 - 40 Cardinals/Neons and a group of 3 Discus -
moving to RO water gradually......I couldn't catch one Yoyo or the
Flying Fox so those two have remained - I'm figuring a gradual change in
water parameters won't hurt them....



�I'll probably weaken and get 3 small clown loaches if I see healthy

ones. � :-) � They've always been a favorite of mine.


That may be harder than you think. Often, as I have found out with the
last 6 or so I have had in the past 5 yrs, that they can carry
internal parasites. You can't tell if they look healthy on the
outside. In time they simply waste away and die.

I've only lost one CL to parasites and this was around 4 years ago. My
bugbear is Ich.......The problem with parasites was more prevalent when
all the CLs on sale were wild caught. These days it is now possible to
farm CLs and I know that my LFS gets the farmed fish rather than the
wild caught......


I had such fun with the last 2 sets of Clowns I had because they
became quite tame, and not the usual scardy cats.
They were always begging for attention, as well as food. I couldn't do
anything in the tank or near the tank without them being right there
in the mix of young angels and female bettas. I miss them, but after
the first the few I had all died slowly (wasted away), I tried again.
Another 3. Same thing. They look fantastic when you buy them. They go
through QT looking great, eating like pigs, and then months later they
look like a bag of bones swimming around with a Clown Loach coat on.
Too sad.

My current 6 are fantastic....but they do have a 6 foot tank to play
in.....nothing quite like seeing all 6 begging for
breakfast/dinner......but it has to be said I did not QT them.....my
experience having been that the QT stage stresses them even more and
makes them even more inclined to ich.....a well established tank with
lots of confident fish already there works best for CLs








That's why this time I just want fish to LOOK at and enjoy. I don't want to
see fighting or have to worry about how to dispose of unwanted fry. �Any
live bearers will be males only. � :-))


You mentioned in another reply maybe female Bettas.
If you don't want to see fighting, then skip them.
They will fight to win the spot of alpha, and may have to put the
others in their place from time to time.
You may also see a take over.
This isn't always a battle, as some times it's nothing more than
posturing. However, sometimes it can be brutal, and one would need to
be removed.
It's not that they're mean, or bad tempered, but like a pack of dogs
or wolves their needs to be a chain of command.
Many often see this as bad tempered fish. I don't see it that way at
all.
A school of Bettas (females only or females and one male) is run just
like a pack of wolves. Each has their place, and some must be a little
pushy at times to keep it. When the *why* of their behavior is known,
you see them in a completely different light.


One might be OK - I had 3 in my 6 foot tank and apart from a little bit
of squabbling never saw much to concern me - that being said, my red
female betta died while I was on holiday - I'm not convinced, though,
that it was the other female bettas that did her in.....





Now the other 55g is clean and empty. �It's just sitting there. �I have no
plans for that one yet.
--


= O



The sky is the limit........just pick your dream tank and go out and buy
the fish :-)

Gill