"NetMax" wrote in
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Thanks as always for refining my answers ;o) Did you know that
Firemouths are listed as originating in Asia: Mekong basin in Laos,
Yunnan, Thailand, Cambodia and Viet Nam; Southeast Asia, and were
later re-distributed (from fishindex.com).

Clearly a typo. The only Asian cichlids I know of are the chromides
(genus Etroplus). I always go to fishbase.org if I want reliable
information about fish species on the Internet. It is intended for
professional fishery managers/ichthyologists, so tends to be more
reliable. It correctly lists firemouths as Central American.

Fishprofile.com has them listed as
Central American (Yucatan, 6.5 pH) which probably agrees with articles
I've read from Belize Mexico on the 2 species found there.

My book on American cichlids says the authors collected firemouths in
streams in Mexico with a pH between 7 and 8.5. Baensch suggests a
neutral pH for breeding. Fish base lists a pH range between 6.5 and
7.5.

I have a tendency to mix fish by temperament, rather than by bio-tope,
only keeping an eye towards not mixing water extremes. This is
evident in some of my suggestions. I suspect they would be hardy in
6.3pH but I have no acidic-water/Firemouth experience either.

I actually tried a pair of firemouths in my South American cichlid tank
for awhile. Worked OK, but once they started breeding they became the
dominant fish and took over half of my six-foot tank. So for the rest
of the fish (Severums, eartheaters, etc.), the tank became a three-foot
tank. That is when I decided to get rid of them.

Meph


NetMax

"Mephistopheles" wrote in
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Steve,
NetMax gives his usual excellent advice, but I must differ a bit
regarding the firemouth recommendation. Firemouths are Central
American cichlids, not South American, so they are really not what
you are looking for. I also expect they might have a bit of
difficulty with your very acidic water, though I have no personal
experience dealing with water that acidic.

Meph

"Steve" wrote in
et:

NetMax,
Thanks for the input.
You mentioned Firemouth. I really like them and they are readily
available here but thought they would be too aggressive for
Severums. If I'm wrong that would be good news. I like both the
Festivum and Flag but can'tfind them locally.
Steve

"NetMax" wrote in message
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"Steve" wrote in message
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I am going with some So. American Cichlids and have narrowed it
down to 3 different species

Gold Severum
Green Severum
Blue Acara
Geophagus

I think that's a nice mix of medium-large fish with similar
dispositions. I've never had Blue Acara, but I've had Aequidens
tetrameris which I think are similar to the Blue Acara. There are
many Geophagus, with jurupari being the most common around here.

I would like to some input from the group as to if this would be
a good match, i.e. get along reasonably well, offer some
variety, need similar chemistry.

Ideally I would like to end up with a pair of each in addition
to a 4" pleco and a 3" red-tailed shark (if he ends up being a
problem with the juveniles, he goes). Some concerns/questions:

Do I need a dither fish? I have 6 tiger barbs I could use,
would they work?

You don't _need_ dither. In some cases, you might be better
without. Seeing as your selection is mostly calm slow moving fish,
you might be better off without dither. ymmv I'd go with the
larger Rainbow shark. My experience has been that they are
slightly less agressive than their cousins, the Red-tail shark.
If you don't get a gold severum, considering getting an albino
Rainbow shark.

Rather than have 2 of the 4 species be a Severum would there be
a better choice?

Not better choices, just different choices, like Flag cichlids,
Festivums, Firemouth etc.

Given the potential size, are 4 pairs too much?

In a 55g? Yes, I think so.

Would a Geophagus be happy alone to reduce the total quantity?

You would have to ask him ;~)

NetMax

I would like to hear the voice of experience, thoughts are
appreciated.

About 2-3 weeks ago I posted the message below which gives you
the background information needed.

Thanks in advance,
Steve

I have a 55 gal well established tank the needs repopulating. I
have had angels for many years and they are starting to go (old
age I think). I have standard gravel with a undergravel filter
and the pH is consistently between 6.3 and 6.5. Rather than get
more angles I was thinking of going with fish with more of a
personality. Non-angel and non-discus Cichlids came to mind.
I don't want to turn the tank upside down by changing the gravel
for crushed coral to get the hard water so African cichlids are
out.

Here is my question: What types of So American cichlids would
work under those conditions. Ideally I would like to have 3
varieties that can coexist given enough structure. I plan on
getting them young, how many of each should I get? Would I need
to cull them out for a pair of each type or would 3 or 4 of a
type work?