Just searching through the internet to see where we are listed, I cam
upon this interesting topic.

I find it interesting that someone would include $ signs when referrin
to our business and what we do. First of all we have been involved i
watergardening for over 14 years, before it became a "fad". We hav
the background and knowledge to create, install and service ou
watergarden clients in a professional manner. That means having
truck and enclosed trailer that is basically a travelling warehous
that allows us to service the clients in a timely manner.......priceta
over $80,000.00. So do we charge our clients for our investment i
knowledge, equipment and service, you bet.

As far as cleaning the AD ponds out each year, another great old men
tale. Yes Greg recommends you may need to clean the pond out eac
year, but it is not necessary. We have not cleaned our A
watergardens out for three years now and they continue to be crysta
clear and all of our Koi are healthy and I can assure you that Gre
does not clean out his 1 million gallon watergarden at his house eac
year.

The biggest challenge to watergardens are the clients we install the
for who insist on playing with the plants, fish and streams whic
really don't need to be adjusted if you just let Mother Nature take he
course. One client we had was constantly checking the pH of her pon
and adjusting and she asked me how often we check ours..........w
don't, I told her, as long as the fish are happy , I'm happy.

The biggest challenge to a healthy watergarden is clients overfeedin
their fish. They can survive on what is in the pond and don't need t
be fed and if you insist on feeding them you will either need to b
frugal in your feeding or introduce a lot of plants to help filter you
pond.

Watergardening is not rocket science as some people try to mak
it.......as Greg says, Kiss it simple stupid...........People laughe
at Edison and Ford and now people cannot accept the success of Greg'
company and would rather belittle his concept to justify theirs instea
of accepting the fact that there may be more than one answer......if i
were not for AD there would be a lot of people still cleaning out thei
silly little pumps with the sponge intake "filter"........

Instead of being in these chats..........enjoy your pond, accep
improvements and celebrate the passion of watergardening.
~ jan wrote:
*I'm gonna snip some and add a few comments after Joe's.

Regarding the AS system my only negative reaction to it is rocks I
the
pond, at least on the bottom of it.

Wlucas4 wrote:
The 'Aquascape System' has the be the WORST pond system on th
market. The
whole pond system is really poorly designed.

Joe reply: Whoa, calm down a notch.

Wlucas4 how long have you had your pond? Joe, sounds like they jus
got
done cleaning it and found out what a JOB it is... but then I have t
clean
out my lily pond in a similar way and it takes 6 hrs and many day
of
painful muscles. ;o) So I can relate to the rant. I don't power was
it,
cause I want the algae on the sides, and I don't have fish to worr
about
as the little guys that make it through winter are moved to a holdin
tank
to grow out and trade to the LFS.

-Adding rocks to the bottom of the pond is absolutly horrible.
All of the
fish waste, all of the leaves and plant debris gets caught on th
bottom of
the pond and can never be cleaned out. It is just a gian
breeding ground
for aermonus bacteria

Yep, you got that right. Do a search in Rec.ponds from Google lookin
for
Subject: *Aquascape and similar ponds* and read that discussion
especially
the post from Gregory Young.

-How are you suppost to clean the 'biofalls'? If you pull th
filter
material out and wash it with a city tap hose you will kill all o
the
bacteria that was growning on the filter material.

I believe you simply slam the filter on some hard surface a fe
times. Works
for me.

The only problem I have with whopping floppy things on to hard
surfaces is
the whopper usually gets as mucky as the whoppee. ;o)

In the system there is
no way to clean out the dirty water in the biofalls after you pull
the
filter material out.

Turn off the pump and siphon it or use a pail.

A shop vac is very useful for this application.

-Draining out the entire system and powerwashing it is a very bad
idea too.
All of the good bacteria will be killed from the clorinated water
and you
will be stuck with the new pond symdrome year after year. It
could take
months depending on your fish load to come back online. It is
very bad for
fish to have a high amonia and nitrite level.

Joe replied: I've never heard anyone saying to do this.

It's in the owner's manual of the AS system. Every spring, (and thi$
i$
what Glenn Rieker'$ www.gardenhaus.com maintenance crew doe$), you
pump
out the pond and power wash it. One has to remember though, the AS
system
is meant to be a WATER GARDEN not a Koi Pond. So the fish load is
suppose
to be low, to very low, and the vegetation VERY high. If this is
followed,
and you don't live in a dust storm prone area, it can work. I still
would
not recommend rocks on the very bottom, the ones on the side you
could wash
away much of the muck.... but, all one has to do is lift one rock to
see
how much muck is getting left behind. Once you refill and adjust the
temp
and pH to the holding tank, adding dechlor if needed, you can put the
fish
back. One should have not been feeding the fish before doing any of
this,
and ideally pump as much old clean water into the holding tank(s) to
pump
back into the pond when finished. Lastly I'd have a big bottle or
better
the dry powder of Amquel on hand and watch my ammonia closely for the
next
3 weeks and check the KH & pH right away, ask if you don't know why.

(I don't have a pond designed by
Aquascape but I do have a skimmer and bio type falls. I think they
work
fine)

-It is impossible to keep the rocks clean
Yes...

and not having sting algae growing
all over the rocks in the pond.

..no. I have some algae on the rocks. If someone building a pond
expects not
to have algae on submerged rocks, they are in for disappointment. I
suggest
this is a problem not unique to Aquascape.

The problem with power washing every spring, besides being a BIG job,
is
the pond never matures.

Since adding a skimmer and bottom drain to my koi ponds, in the
spring all
I do is fill the out-of-the-pond filter with dechlorinated water,
open the
plugs from the pre-filter to the bio-filter and turn on the pump. The
ponds
are perfectly muckless on the bottom because 1) I shop vacced the
muck out
of the bottoms (without draining and removing the fish) in the fall
and 2)
I put a screen over them afterwards that stays till I turn on the
filter.
Totally no stress for the fish and especially for ME. ;o) Plus, the
pond is
mature so I don't ever have a spring algae bloom nor String Algae,
because
of the nice coating of fuzz algae that isn't washed way on the sides
of all
inner surfaces. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
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--
Glenn
Always root for the underdog....always!
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