Yes, I just installed a 20-40 gallon filter, thinking that might be the
solution....The water readings seems to be normal. If I want the water to
be really clean for awhile, I must remove the fish, empty the tank, wash the
gravel, yada yada. But I understand this is not good for the fish. But, if
I empty, say half the water, the remaining water is still murky and I don't
get the clear water I want after I add new water.

Sophie summed it up when she said fishkeeping is curiously addictive.....I
get so much enjoyment watching them swim around and this is the first time
in my life that my goldfish have lasted almost two years, so I'm really "on
a roll" now.

Funny thing...my son has a 20 gallon tank with 7 goldfish, each one about 2
inches long, and his water is never murky......and the number of fish is way
too much for a 20 gallon, and he has a smaller filter than mine.

This is a very interesting newsgroup.......and I appreciate all the
responses.

Tispe

"Geezer From The Freezer" wrote in message
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Tispe wrote:

Thanks for your input......my dilemma is that I'm so attached to these
fish!!!


I know that feeling. One thing I will suggest is to get a bigger tank (try
ebay
for a second hand one).

Do you have a filter, and can you get those water readings done?
How much water do you change and how often?