On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, dreas wrote:

> > badges, etc. For most intents and purposes, the only significant
> > difference between an "F-body" and an "M-body" was the designation --
> > it was only four years earlier that most sheetmetal would not
> > interchange between same-year Dodge Darts and Plymouth Valiants, both
> > A-bodies!
>
> The one difference is that the front suspension was modified. Didn't the
> torsion bars on F bodies go longitudinal like on my '80 New Yorker? And
> didn't the torsion bars go transverse on later model [M-body] Dodges and
> Plymouths?

Nope. That is not correct. The front suspension is identical in concept
and implementation between F and M bodies; both use transverse torsion
bars.

> The real New Yorker Fifth Avenue was bigger, like a St. Regis.

....until 1980, yes. It was an R-body, which was nothing more or less than
the old B/E body platform with longitudinal torsion bars.