I agree that the systems that are converted from R12 to R134 don't quite cut
it. Especially in severe climates (I live in Las Vegas !)
The substitutes are the answer IMO. I've never tried freeze12, but I have
converted 2 or 3 cars with enviro-safe, and it seems to cool just as well as
R12.

If your buddy will sell you a jug @10.00 # I'd jump on it though. Of
course if you're garage works like mine, you'll invest the $200.00 in it,
and then give it away to all your friends a few pounds at a time.. Then
when YOU need some, you'll be buying it for $65.00 / # LOL!

Off topic... I finally had occasion to inspect my Miata battery just to
make sure it wasn't corroded, etc..

IT'S a $#%#%$ JETSKI BATTERY !! (well, almost) it ain't much bigger
than the one in my SeaDoo's! pretty funny!

Man, I'm loving this car though....

"Tom Howlin" > wrote in message
news
> Yeh, the system was still full according to the site glass, we just did
> it because he had the materials and tools and was offering it for free
> so I figured, no harm done. I know a mechanic who regulary uses the
> Freeze12 as a substitute with no apparent ill effects. I'd convert the
> system but have been in cars with the older system converted and they
> just don't put out the cooling that the R-12 does. I also noticed that
> in my wife's 95 Accord when they first switched over - it would take
> forever to cool down her car. Her 01 Accord does a much better job, as
> good as any of the old R-12 systems and my 4Runner will run you out if
> you set the auto temp low enough. I think he'd sell me a cannister for
> $200.00 if I was going to use it for non-commercial use and several
> members of the local club want to recharge their systems for one reason
> or another so it sounds like a good investment.
>
> Chief_Wiggum wrote:
> > If you could get the canister for under $1,000.00 you'd be doing well.
> > Personally I'd either convert a system over, or use something like
Freeze12,
> > or Enviro-safe.
> > Unless you're just topping up a charge or something there's no good
reason
> > to even mess with R12 anymore IMO. YMMV!
> >
> > That's one of the major reasons I set my bottom line at a 94 though. I
> > didn't want to mess with R12 anymore!
> >
> >
> > "Tom Howlin" > wrote in message
> > news > >
> >>This is more out of curiosity than anything else. I just had a friend
> >>purge and refill my AC on the 92 with R-12. He has seven twenty pound
> >>cannisters of the R-12 that he bought many years ago when they started
> >>to phase it out. I was thinking about trying to buy one from him for
> >>the local Miata guys that are still running R-12 but have no idea how
> >>much one of these is worth these days. I do know I wish I had thought
> >>of stockpiling it myself. Any ideas on what a fair price would be for
> >>one? Thanks.
> >>
> >>Tom
> >>92 Red
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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