You're exactly right, I'll give it away until it's empty and then I'll
be searching again - LOL. He actually told me to pick it up this
weekend for nothing if I'll help him install new shock on his 95 so for
a couple hours work, I get enough freon to last until either I or the
car dies. The batteries in these cars isn't much but my 92 is still on
the original battery! 125,000 miles, cold winters, etc. and it still
cranks strong. I've never let it discharge and don't store it for more
than a day or two. I've since bought a spare that I keep on a battery
tender for when the day comes but who knows, there is a guy here with
what he loves to refer to as a "1989" Miata that still has the original
battery and just turned 200,000 miles.

Tom
92 Red

Chief_Wiggum wrote:
> I agree that the systems that are converted from R12 to R134 don't quite cut
> it. Especially in severe climates (I live in Las Vegas !)
> The substitutes are the answer IMO. I've never tried freeze12, but I have
> converted 2 or 3 cars with enviro-safe, and it seems to cool just as well as
> R12.
>
> If your buddy will sell you a jug @10.00 # I'd jump on it though. Of
> course if you're garage works like mine, you'll invest the $200.00 in it,
> and then give it away to all your friends a few pounds at a time.. Then
> when YOU need some, you'll be buying it for $65.00 / # LOL!
>
> Off topic... I finally had occasion to inspect my Miata battery just to
> make sure it wasn't corroded, etc..
>
> IT'S a $#%#%$ JETSKI BATTERY !! (well, almost) it ain't much bigger
> than the one in my SeaDoo's! pretty funny!
>
> Man, I'm loving this car though....
>
> "Tom Howlin" > wrote in message
> news >
>>Yeh, the system was still full according to the site glass, we just did
>>it because he had the materials and tools and was offering it for free
>>so I figured, no harm done. I know a mechanic who regulary uses the
>>Freeze12 as a substitute with no apparent ill effects. I'd convert the
>>system but have been in cars with the older system converted and they
>>just don't put out the cooling that the R-12 does. I also noticed that
>>in my wife's 95 Accord when they first switched over - it would take
>>forever to cool down her car. Her 01 Accord does a much better job, as
>>good as any of the old R-12 systems and my 4Runner will run you out if
>>you set the auto temp low enough. I think he'd sell me a cannister for
>>$200.00 if I was going to use it for non-commercial use and several
>>members of the local club want to recharge their systems for one reason
>>or another so it sounds like a good investment.
>>
>>Chief_Wiggum wrote:
>>
>>>If you could get the canister for under $1,000.00 you'd be doing well.
>>>Personally I'd either convert a system over, or use something like
>
> Freeze12,
>
>>>or Enviro-safe.
>>>Unless you're just topping up a charge or something there's no good
>
> reason
>
>>>to even mess with R12 anymore IMO. YMMV!
>>>
>>>That's one of the major reasons I set my bottom line at a 94 though. I
>>>didn't want to mess with R12 anymore!
>>>
>>>
>>>"Tom Howlin" > wrote in message
>>>news >>>
>>>
>>>>This is more out of curiosity than anything else. I just had a friend
>>>>purge and refill my AC on the 92 with R-12. He has seven twenty pound
>>>>cannisters of the R-12 that he bought many years ago when they started
>>>>to phase it out. I was thinking about trying to buy one from him for
>>>>the local Miata guys that are still running R-12 but have no idea how
>>>>much one of these is worth these days. I do know I wish I had thought
>>>>of stockpiling it myself. Any ideas on what a fair price would be for
>>>>one? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>>92 Red
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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