Betta in a VASE

Some one is still selling them!!!
CRUELTY TO FISH!!!
www.blossomflower.com
Betta Fish with Green Plant
B4320
Send a colorful betta fish swimming in a clear glass vase beneath a beautiful peace lily plant.

Now you have the info, do what you like!

winddancir wrote:

Some one is still selling them!!!
CRUELTY TO FISH!!!
www.blossomflower.com
Betta Fish with Green Plant
B4320
Send a colorful betta fish swimming in a clear glass vase beneath a
beautiful peace lily plant.

I can't find anything like that on that web site. I searched for "beta",
"betta", "peace", and "B4320". Nada.

George Patterson
I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company.

It is forsale under the section Local Specials, i am emailing them telling
them how horrible the setup is, aswell as including a lot of links
supporting my info that i am sending them.


"George Patterson" wrote in message
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winddancir wrote:

Some one is still selling them!!!
CRUELTY TO FISH!!!
www.blossomflower.com
Betta Fish with Green Plant
B4320
Send a colorful betta fish swimming in a clear glass vase beneath a
beautiful peace lily plant.

I can't find anything like that on that web site. I searched for "beta",
"betta", "peace", and "B4320". Nada.

George Patterson
I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company.

In article ,
blove wrote:
It is forsale under the section Local Specials, i am emailing them telling
them how horrible the setup is, aswell as including a lot of links
supporting my info that i am sending them.

I keep bettas in small plastic cups. I have a lot of them, some
quite expensive show fish. This is normal in the betta breeding world. As
long as the water is changed frequently, kept warm and they are fed live
food they do great and are quite happy, active and fecund.

A well taken care of betta in a small container is much better off
than a poor cared for betta in a big tank with fish nipping at it's
fins. If you think a vase is cruel you should see the 1/2" of slimy
muddey water then live in in the wild.

Do these fish look unhappy to you?

http://images.aquaria.net/fish/bettas/splendens/HM/


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Richard Sexton wrote:
In article ,
blove wrote:

It is forsale under the section Local Specials, i am emailing them telling
them how horrible the setup is, aswell as including a lot of links
supporting my info that i am sending them.


I keep bettas in small plastic cups. I have a lot of them, some
quite expensive show fish. This is normal in the betta breeding world. As
long as the water is changed frequently, kept warm and they are fed live
food they do great and are quite happy, active and fecund.

A well taken care of betta in a small container is much better off
than a poor cared for betta in a big tank with fish nipping at it's
fins. If you think a vase is cruel you should see the 1/2" of slimy
muddey water then live in in the wild.

Do these fish look unhappy to you?

http://images.aquaria.net/fish/bettas/splendens/HM/


The problem is that customers are told that the fish will eat the peace
lily's roots and that the lily will keep the water clean without any
need to change it. The lily may keep the water clean, but the betta
faces a slow death by starvation since it can't live on plant roots.
Sometimes there is also no open space for the betta to breathe at the
surface either so if the water is low in oxygen, like at night, the fish
is oxygen-starved.

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The problem is that customers are told that the fish will eat the peace
lily's roots and that the lily will keep the water clean without any
need to change it. The lily may keep the water clean, but the betta
faces a slow death by starvation since it can't live on plant roots.
Sometimes there is also no open space for the betta to breathe at the
surface either so if the water is low in oxygen, like at night, the fish
is oxygen-starved.

To some extend that's true. The plant will absorb a tremendous
amout of wast. I see no problem there. The betta of course cannot
survice on a plant root but it may well survive on the microbial
life there - that remains to be seen. As for no way to get air,
bettas, when "in a pinch" will swimm agressiviely and jump to get
air, they're quite feisty in that respect.


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On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:25:54 GMT, (Richard Sexton)
wrote:

In article ,
blove wrote:
It is forsale under the section Local Specials, i am emailing them telling
them how horrible the setup is, aswell as including a lot of links
supporting my info that i am sending them.

I keep bettas in small plastic cups. I have a lot of them, some
quite expensive show fish. This is normal in the betta breeding world. As
long as the water is changed frequently, kept warm and they are fed live
food they do great and are quite happy, active and fecund.

A well taken care of betta in a small container is much better off
than a poor cared for betta in a big tank with fish nipping at it's
fins. If you think a vase is cruel you should see the 1/2" of slimy
muddey water then live in in the wild.

Do these fish look unhappy to you?

http://images.aquaria.net/fish/bettas/splendens/HM/


I had occasion to visit a fish wholesaler not long ago and saw how the
bettas are kept. Those little cups are positively roomy. the fish at
the wholesaler were in little plastic bags hanging on the wall, I
think there was less water in the bag than the volume of the fish.
--
Charles

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Richard Sexton wrote:
The problem is that customers are told that the fish will eat the peace
lily's roots and that the lily will keep the water clean without any
need to change it. The lily may keep the water clean, but the betta
faces a slow death by starvation since it can't live on plant roots.
Sometimes there is also no open space for the betta to breathe at the
surface either so if the water is low in oxygen, like at night, the fish
is oxygen-starved.


To some extend that's true. The plant will absorb a tremendous
amout of wast. I see no problem there. The betta of course cannot
survice on a plant root but it may well survive on the microbial
life there - that remains to be seen. As for no way to get air,
bettas, when "in a pinch" will swimm agressiviely and jump to get
air, they're quite feisty in that respect.


I just looked at a couple of anti peace lily/betta websites and they say
the lily roots rot and foul the water. I checked some horticultural
sites, and they also say that peace lilies cannot have roots in standing
water.

Once the plant roots start rotting, the dissolved oxygen falls and water
quality goes down. The betta usually dies after the peace lily roots
rot from either lack of oxygen or poor water quality. Of course, the
plant does not fare much better. This usually happens well before the
fish starves because it will try to live on the plant roots. They also
point out that the setup is often not warm enough, since bettas are
really tropical.

Apparantly the poor choice of plant in this setup is the main problem.
A true bog plant like a Sagittaria spp. or a floating plant like water
hyacinth would probably work as intended. Feed the betta some suitable
food, put the vase somewhere warm enough, and you would probably have a
lovely display.

Save the peace lilies! Cruelty to plants! ;-)

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Check under local specials. Or
http://www.blossomflower.com/product.cfm/iteID/1916
And most of the instructions I've seen say don't feed the fish, don't rinse off the roots of the plant, don't change the water.
So if the plant suffers, and it's roots start rotting, the fish will die after suffering. Then the dead fish becomes fertelizer for the plant and the plant perks back up.
Is that how it's supposed to work?

Betta vases are dangerous for so many reasons. The most obvious is the
blocking of the water's surface. Regardless of how much dissolved
oxygen is in the water, Bettas always use their labyrinth organ. In a
case of a lily vase, it's just a matter of time before the oxygen level
drops and Betta literally drowns. All aggressive jumping in the world
isn't going to allow them to reach the surface of the water in the vase
shown in the link.

Also, this is not a complete ecosystem. I don't care how shallow a rice
paddy gets, it is still part of a complete ecosystem fed by a larger
body of water. Nitrofying bacteria cannot establish themselves in a
vase. Aquatic plants can reduce nitrate in the water but it will not do
enough to remove toxic ammonia. In fact, being terrestrial, Peace
Lilies will contribute to the ammonia build up when it deteriorates in
the water... as Elaine said.

There are also feeding issues and water parameter stability issues that
need to be addressed as well. There are so many reasons why a Betta
vase is bad I can't even begin to guess why folks wouldn't emmediately
denounce their use.