Angel Fungus

I've tried this over on uk.rec.aquaria.misc but so far no answer.....

So, I have an adult Angelfish who had fungus.
Took him out of the main tank and treated with Interpet Anti fungus for a
week as per instructions.
Fungus cleared up fine, back to the main tank.

Two weeks later the fungus is back, just the angel no other fish, so I
treated him again.
This time it took two weeks.

Put him back in again, you guessed it, fungus.
Water test out OK (Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, Nitrate 5, pH 7.0.
All the other fish (Corys, Clown Loaches, and more Angels are fine)
Tank is 240ltr.

Is there anything topical I can treat with, rather than water based
treatments ?
One book (Mary Bailey) suggests Gentian Violet....?

Peter

2pods wrote:

I've tried this over on uk.rec.aquaria.misc but so far no answer.....

I didn't know this group existed. I have just added it.

So, I have an adult Angelfish who had fungus.
Took him out of the main tank and treated with Interpet Anti fungus for a
week as per instructions.
Fungus cleared up fine, back to the main tank.

Interpet's Anti Fungus treatment is nasty stuff. I intoxicated my fish
by using it without shaking the bottle first as directed in the
instructions. The fish behaved drunk for 2 whole days. When I say that
some fish were swimming backwards and bumping into things, I no joke! It
contains phenoxyethanol which is an anaesthesia.

Two weeks later the fungus is back, just the angel no other fish, so I
treated him again.
This time it took two weeks.

Put him back in again, you guessed it, fungus.
Water test out OK (Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, Nitrate 5, pH 7.0.
All the other fish (Corys, Clown Loaches, and more Angels are fine)
Tank is 240ltr.

Is there any reason why you don't treat the whole tank, apart from cost?
Try Esha 2000, http://www.eshalabs.com/esha2000.htm. Can be bought from
any large aquarium shop. I find that cures fungus pretty well and is
gentle on the fish.

Is there anything topical I can treat with, rather than water based
treatments ?
One book (Mary Bailey) suggests Gentian Violet....?

Never heard of it personally.

Nikki

"Nikki Casali" wrote in message
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2pods wrote:

I've tried this over on uk.rec.aquaria.misc but so far no answer.....

I didn't know this group existed. I have just added it.

So, I have an adult Angelfish who had fungus.
Took him out of the main tank and treated with Interpet Anti fungus for a
week as per instructions.
Fungus cleared up fine, back to the main tank.

Interpet's Anti Fungus treatment is nasty stuff. I intoxicated my fish by
using it without shaking the bottle first as directed in the instructions.
The fish behaved drunk for 2 whole days. When I say that some fish were
swimming backwards and bumping into things, I no joke! It contains
phenoxyethanol which is an anaesthesia.

Two weeks later the fungus is back, just the angel no other fish, so I
treated him again.
This time it took two weeks.

Put him back in again, you guessed it, fungus.
Water test out OK (Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, Nitrate 5, pH 7.0.
All the other fish (Corys, Clown Loaches, and more Angels are fine)
Tank is 240ltr.

Is there any reason why you don't treat the whole tank, apart from cost?
Try Esha 2000, http://www.eshalabs.com/esha2000.htm. Can be bought from
any large aquarium shop. I find that cures fungus pretty well and is
gentle on the fish.

Is there anything topical I can treat with, rather than water based
treatments ?
One book (Mary Bailey) suggests Gentian Violet....?

Never heard of it personally.

Nikki


As you say, it's nasty stuff so I didn't see the point of subjecting all the
fish to it.

Still holding out for something to "dab"

Peter

2pods wrote:
I've tried this over on uk.rec.aquaria.misc but so far no answer.....

So, I have an adult Angelfish who had fungus.
Took him out of the main tank and treated with Interpet Anti fungus for a
week as per instructions.
Fungus cleared up fine, back to the main tank.

Two weeks later the fungus is back, just the angel no other fish, so I
treated him again.
This time it took two weeks.

Put him back in again, you guessed it, fungus.
Water test out OK (Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, Nitrate 5, pH 7.0.
All the other fish (Corys, Clown Loaches, and more Angels are fine)
Tank is 240ltr.

Is there anything topical I can treat with, rather than water based
treatments ?
One book (Mary Bailey) suggests Gentian Violet....?

Peter


True fungus can be dabbed with malachite green. However, true fungus
usually only grows around wounds, on bacterially infected fins, or on
damaged gills. That's because it can only get a foothold on damaged
flesh. Was there a wound before the fungus appeared on the fish?

Flexibacter (Columnaris) is another possibility particularly if the
cottony growths are at the fish's mouth and/or vent. Columnaris tends
to start with a water quality problem. Even though your nitrogen cycle
seems fine, check for good filtration, stable temps, clean gravel, and
change some water and add fresh carbon to be sure DOC are low.

I've never treated Columnaris by dabbing, but plain old finrot responds
to a tank cleanup plus mercurichrome, so that's worth a try.

--
__ Elaine T __
__' http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__

Is there anything topical I can treat with, rather than water based
treatments ?
One book (Mary Bailey) suggests Gentian Violet....?

Peter
True fungus can be dabbed with malachite green. However, true fungus
usually only grows around wounds, on bacterially infected fins, or on
damaged gills. That's because it can only get a foothold on damaged
flesh. Was there a wound before the fungus appeared on the fish?

Flexibacter (Columnaris) is another possibility particularly if the
cottony growths are at the fish's mouth and/or vent. Columnaris tends to
start with a water quality problem. Even though your nitrogen cycle seems
fine, check for good filtration, stable temps, clean gravel, and change
some water and add fresh carbon to be sure DOC are low.

I've never treated Columnaris by dabbing, but plain old finrot responds to
a tank cleanup plus mercurichrome, so that's worth a try.

Hi Elaine

I think it's real fungus as it's just under it's pectoral fin and when the
cotton wool stuff isn't there the scales/skin looks damaged.
Looks like a wound actually.

What can I find Malachite Green in in the UK ?

Peter

2pods wrote:
Is there anything topical I can treat with, rather than water based
treatments ?
One book (Mary Bailey) suggests Gentian Violet....?

Peter

True fungus can be dabbed with malachite green. However, true fungus
usually only grows around wounds, on bacterially infected fins, or on
damaged gills. That's because it can only get a foothold on damaged
flesh. Was there a wound before the fungus appeared on the fish?

Flexibacter (Columnaris) is another possibility particularly if the
cottony growths are at the fish's mouth and/or vent. Columnaris tends to
start with a water quality problem. Even though your nitrogen cycle seems
fine, check for good filtration, stable temps, clean gravel, and change
some water and add fresh carbon to be sure DOC are low.

I've never treated Columnaris by dabbing, but plain old finrot responds to
a tank cleanup plus mercurichrome, so that's worth a try.


Hi Elaine

I think it's real fungus as it's just under it's pectoral fin and when the
cotton wool stuff isn't there the scales/skin looks damaged.
Looks like a wound actually.

What can I find Malachite Green in in the UK ?

Peter


That does sound like true fungus. On this side of the pond, good fish
shops often carry malachite green. You can also mail order it here,
although the bottle is quite a bit larger than you need!
http://www.atlantisaquatics.co.uk/ac...reatments.html

Be sure to keep the malachite green off of the fish's gils and eyes.
Often only one treatment is enough. If the first treatment doesn't
work, I usually try again in 48 hours.

--
__ Elaine T __
__' http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__

http://www.atlantisaquatics.co.uk/ac...reatments.html

Be sure to keep the malachite green off of the fish's gils and eyes. Often
only one treatment is enough. If the first treatment doesn't work, I
usually try again in 48 hours.

Elaine.
Could you go through this with me please ?

Is this right ?
Take fish from tank in net (or container ?), dab with MG with cotton bud,
straight back in tank ?

TIA

Peter

2pods wrote:
http://www.atlantisaquatics.co.uk/ac...reatments.html

Be sure to keep the malachite green off of the fish's gils and eyes. Often
only one treatment is enough. If the first treatment doesn't work, I
usually try again in 48 hours.


Elaine.
Could you go through this with me please ?

Is this right ?
Take fish from tank in net (or container ?), dab with MG with cotton bud,
straight back in tank ?

TIA

Peter


That's pretty much it. I prefer a net for cichlids and other fish that
don't have spines so that I have good control of the fish, but use
whatever you find most comfortable. The area you're treating must be
out of the water so that the MG hits the fungus at full strength. For a
fish the size of an angel, that means the whole fish. The fish usually
fights in the net for a moment but then relaxes long enough for you to
dab the MG on with a cotton bud. Give it a moment to soak into the the
fungus - maybe a deep breath's worth of time - and then release the fish
straight back into the tank. Afterwards, the fungus should look like
green cotton instead of white.

Hope it works for you!

--
__ Elaine T __
__' http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__

Thanks Elaine :-)

Peter


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2pods wrote:
http://www.atlantisaquatics.co.uk/ac...reatments.html

Be sure to keep the malachite green off of the fish's gils and eyes.
Often only one treatment is enough. If the first treatment doesn't work,
I usually try again in 48 hours.


Elaine.
Could you go through this with me please ?

Is this right ?
Take fish from tank in net (or container ?), dab with MG with cotton bud,
straight back in tank ?

TIA

Peter


That's pretty much it. I prefer a net for cichlids and other fish that
don't have spines so that I have good control of the fish, but use
whatever you find most comfortable. The area you're treating must be out
of the water so that the MG hits the fungus at full strength. For a fish
the size of an angel, that means the whole fish. The fish usually fights
in the net for a moment but then relaxes long enough for you to dab the MG
on with a cotton bud. Give it a moment to soak into the the fungus -
maybe a deep breath's worth of time - and then release the fish straight
back into the tank. Afterwards, the fungus should look like green cotton
instead of white.

Hope it works for you!

--
__ Elaine T __
__' http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__