Return Of Severum Popeye!

Remember a few months ago when I reported my treatment "cure" for my big
Severums popeye? Someone posted about their vet puncturing around the eye
socket with a syringe to bring down the pressure. I tried it myself, and he
was perfect in everyway in a couple of weeks. Well guess what? It's back,
and worse than ever! He was fine for months. Anyone have a guess as to why?
Maybe just plain old age, and the puncture was temporary?


--
JK Sinrod
www.SinrodStudios.com
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:26:36 -0400, "glassman"
wrote:

Remember a few months ago when I reported my treatment "cure" for my big
Severums popeye? Someone posted about their vet puncturing around the eye
socket with a syringe to bring down the pressure. I tried it myself, and he
was perfect in everyway in a couple of weeks. Well guess what? It's back,
and worse than ever! He was fine for months. Anyone have a guess as to why?
Maybe just plain old age, and the puncture was temporary?

It was me who told you about puncturing around the eye. The problem
may be a recurring infection, it's impossible to tell. Is the water
sparkling clean? The trouble with relieving the pressure is that the
eye becomes more sensitive to infection because the barrier is
punctured. It should have healed completely within a day. Try one
puncture to relieve the pressure again. Make sure the needle is
sterile.

--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software

EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:26:36 -0400, "glassman"
wrote:

Remember a few months ago when I reported my treatment "cure" for my big
Severums popeye? Someone posted about their vet puncturing around the eye
socket with a syringe to bring down the pressure. I tried it myself, and he
was perfect in everyway in a couple of weeks. Well guess what? It's back,
and worse than ever! He was fine for months. Anyone have a guess as to why?
Maybe just plain old age, and the puncture was temporary?

Isn't this a case of removing a symptom, not the cause? We take an
anspirin to lower fevers, but that doesn't remove the cause. My best
guess. Doctoring involves a lot of trial and error.

dick

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:22:43 -0500, Dick
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:26:36 -0400, "glassman"
wrote:

Remember a few months ago when I reported my treatment "cure" for my big
Severums popeye? Someone posted about their vet puncturing around the eye
socket with a syringe to bring down the pressure. I tried it myself, and he
was perfect in everyway in a couple of weeks. Well guess what? It's back,
and worse than ever! He was fine for months. Anyone have a guess as to why?
Maybe just plain old age, and the puncture was temporary?

Isn't this a case of removing a symptom, not the cause? We take an
anspirin to lower fevers, but that doesn't remove the cause. My best
guess. Doctoring involves a lot of trial and error.


Yes, but it's the symptom that causes the fish so much trouble. In my
experience removing the symptom of popeye is permanent. Repeat
infections should be addressed separately.

--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software

EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:53:09 +0100, wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:22:43 -0500, Dick
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:26:36 -0400, "glassman"
wrote:

Remember a few months ago when I reported my treatment "cure" for my big
Severums popeye? Someone posted about their vet puncturing around the eye
socket with a syringe to bring down the pressure. I tried it myself, and he
was perfect in everyway in a couple of weeks. Well guess what? It's back,
and worse than ever! He was fine for months. Anyone have a guess as to why?
Maybe just plain old age, and the puncture was temporary?

Isn't this a case of removing a symptom, not the cause? We take an
anspirin to lower fevers, but that doesn't remove the cause. My best
guess. Doctoring involves a lot of trial and error.


Yes, but it's the symptom that causes the fish so much trouble. In my
experience removing the symptom of popeye is permanent. Repeat
infections should be addressed separately.

Aren't recurrent symptoms less likely to respond to treatment of the
underlying cause?

I am puzzled by how one fish in a community tank has a problem and the
rest don't. I just assume the sick fish is weaker and don't want to
bother the rest of the community with the stress of treatment.
Especially chasing a fish to move it to a hospital tank. I fear
"stress" related problems more than the death of one fish.

However, I do have to be careful about the above statement. I can
think of a Black Angel that I might get heroic over.

As to community health, about 3 years ago I received (I order
everything over the internet) 7 Clown Loaches. I had them in the tank
before I noticed they all had ick. I had no medicines and had to wait
a week for their arrival. Meanwhile I tried raising the temperature,
blocking out the light with a blanket and anything else I could do as
home remedies. Then another week of treatment. Two of the seven
responded to treatment and the other five I destroyed. (The vendor
sent 9 to replace the 7, so I ended up with 11 Clowns while hearing
stories of their possible maximum growth, uhg.)

At some point I noticed that not one of my community fish had gotten
ick, this in a 75 gallon tank with about 75 fish of 12 species.

dick

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:54:37 -0500, Dick
wrote:

At some point I noticed that not one of my community fish had gotten
ick, this in a 75 gallon tank with about 75 fish of 12 species.

Clowns are particular susceptible to ick. The rest of your fish
probably won't get ick, no matter what happens!

--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software

EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com

Thanks for the insights. Keep in mind that this is a huge old male green
Severum, in a tank with a dozen others, all smaller but mature fish. None of
the others has any symptoms, so I'm guessing it's not the water quality. He
continues to be the most aggressive fish, and eats well. As I said the
treatment worked perfectly and he was fine for months, before it just now
returned. My guess is that it's more old age and failing organs, than any
infection. Will try again, to help extend his life.


--
JK Sinrod
www.sinrodstudios.com
www.MyConeyIslandMemories