New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat

Well I always thought that the level of T8s in the tank would be a
problem and I'm certainly being proved right.....the corals are very
unhappy - the blue legged hermits, clown fish, urchins, snails do not
seem to care in the slightest....

So.....I'm working on equalising the water between my new 350L tank and
the nano....mainly by using the water from the big tank for water
changes on the small.....in this way I am anticipating that moving the
corals across will be very easy and acclimitization at a minimum.....

But I don't want to tear down the little nano tank completely (15 gall)
- so I am wondering if the blue leg hermits and the Clown fish will cope
with the higher temps - it is pretty obvious that the corals
can't.....moving the fish is certainly an option but the blue legs
probably not as I have been told they would kill my red legs....

Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated

TIA
Gill

Well look it here the person responsible for all the crap in the
aquaria groups, through her hate group geared at turmoil and trolls,
is asking such a bunch as this whom she behind the scenes used to
ridicule for them being assinine dumbasses, but now she needs their
****nig help. How quaint!

Maybe folks need to re read the hate group and a few of your emails
about Wayne and Pszemol and Kurt in this group!


Remember too folks, that she slipped in there and started to delete
her posts trying to cover up her ways.....but there is still more than
enough reading to make yu leary of dealing with this person. Just key
in n the quoted texts or replies, her statements are still there, even
though her original statment was deleted by her......To bad she did
not think enough of her friend to give them any warning or time to do
what she did.........Hate mongors and grup agitaotrs is what they were
in a hidden behind the scenes events. All because she did not like
Carol Gulley aka Reel Mckoi and her upper hand on the aquaria groups
was slipping daily......NOw its all but gone! hahahahahaaha

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec...hgroups/topics

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:39:08 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote:

Well I always thought that the level of T8s in the tank would be a
problem and I'm certainly being proved right.....the corals are very
unhappy - the blue legged hermits, clown fish, urchins, snails do not
seem to care in the slightest....

So.....I'm working on equalising the water between my new 350L tank and
the nano....mainly by using the water from the big tank for water
changes on the small.....in this way I am anticipating that moving the
corals across will be very easy and acclimitization at a minimum.....

But I don't want to tear down the little nano tank completely (15 gall)
- so I am wondering if the blue leg hermits and the Clown fish will cope
with the higher temps - it is pretty obvious that the corals
can't.....moving the fish is certainly an option but the blue legs
probably not as I have been told they would kill my red legs....

Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated

TIA
Gill



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Put some fans on it.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Gill Passman wrote on 6/11/2007 6:39 PM:
Well I always thought that the level of T8s in the tank would be a
problem and I'm certainly being proved right.....the corals are very
unhappy - the blue legged hermits, clown fish, urchins, snails do not
seem to care in the slightest....

So.....I'm working on equalising the water between my new 350L tank and
the nano....mainly by using the water from the big tank for water
changes on the small.....in this way I am anticipating that moving the
corals across will be very easy and acclimitization at a minimum.....

But I don't want to tear down the little nano tank completely (15 gall)
- so I am wondering if the blue leg hermits and the Clown fish will cope
with the higher temps - it is pretty obvious that the corals
can't.....moving the fish is certainly an option but the blue legs
probably not as I have been told they would kill my red legs....

Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated

TIA
Gill

Wayne Sallee wrote:
Put some fans on it.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Yes, I thought about doing that but I also have a big tank in an air
conditioned room that I can put the corals into........my question would
be how temperture tolerant would the clown fish be if I don't move them
- it is still an option as the new tank only has 6 green chromis at the
moment.....

Gill

Gill Passman wrote:
Yes, I thought about doing that but I also have a big tank in an air
conditioned room that I can put the corals into........my question would
be how temperture tolerant would the clown fish be if I don't move them
- it is still an option as the new tank only has 6 green chromis at the
moment.....

What kind of temps? The problem is that oxygen saturation levels drop
as temps go up. I've been touching 83 in my display tank lately, and
have lowered my AC a degree to counter it.

--Kurt

KurtG wrote:


What kind of temps? The problem is that oxygen saturation levels drop
as temps go up. I've been touching 83 in my display tank lately, and
have lowered my AC a degree to counter it.

--Kurt

The ambient temperature is 72F at the moment (quite low for the time of
year). The Nano is up to 88F. The new tank is 80F before I switched on
the AC. There is no AC in the room where the nano is.

My thinking is that if I move the corals out into the big tank then I
can keep the nano as a FOWLR and reduce the lighting accordingly. The
fish do not appear to be showing any signs of distress - just the corals.

Gill

Gill Passman wrote:
The Nano is up to 88F.

That's too hot. I think 85-86 would be the extreme upper end. They can
handle 90, but any short power failure would suffocate them.

Can you position the nano close to the big tank and have them use the
same sump?

There are also reasonable chillers for nanos:
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps/ps_Vie...ct~CW1111.html

--Kurt

KurtG wrote:
Gill Passman wrote:

The Nano is up to 88F.


That's too hot. I think 85-86 would be the extreme upper end. They can
handle 90, but any short power failure would suffocate them.

Can you position the nano close to the big tank and have them use the
same sump?

There are also reasonable chillers for nanos:
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps/ps_Vie...ct~CW1111.html

--Kurt

Managed to get it down to 86F by turning off one of the lights and
leaving part of the top open. I'm not happy with the level of lighting
for the corals (2 T8 tubes giving just 30Watts - tank is 15 gall) so I
think I'm going to start moving the corals. Unfortunately I can't move
the nano. Stock is some mushroom rock, button polyps (v. unhappy), some
star polyps, a capnella and a frilly mushroom colony. One of my urchins
appears to have gone awol but could be round the back of the rock.

Took a look at the chiller - looks good but sadly hasn't made it across
here yet. I will certainly look around to see if I can find anything
similar for future use.

Thanks
Gill

powered by a separate 12 volt D.C. power supply
and draws less than 50 watts.

That should be easy enough to work out. Most power supplies I buy these
days will take either 120/220.

If you want a controller, it looks like you need this:
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewIt...product=CW1113

Contact me off list and I'll ship if across the pond for you. Given how
low the dollar has gotten, it should cost you about a quid.

--Kurt




Gill Passman wrote:
KurtG wrote:
Gill Passman wrote:

The Nano is up to 88F.


That's too hot. I think 85-86 would be the extreme upper end. They can
handle 90, but any short power failure would suffocate them.

Can you position the nano close to the big tank and have them use the
same sump?

There are also reasonable chillers for nanos:
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps/ps_Vie...ct~CW1111.html

--Kurt

Managed to get it down to 86F by turning off one of the lights and
leaving part of the top open. I'm not happy with the level of lighting
for the corals (2 T8 tubes giving just 30Watts - tank is 15 gall) so I
think I'm going to start moving the corals. Unfortunately I can't move
the nano. Stock is some mushroom rock, button polyps (v. unhappy), some
star polyps, a capnella and a frilly mushroom colony. One of my urchins
appears to have gone awol but could be round the back of the rock.

Took a look at the chiller - looks good but sadly hasn't made it across
here yet. I will certainly look around to see if I can find anything
similar for future use.

Thanks
Gill

KurtG wrote:
powered by a separate 12 volt D.C. power supply
and draws less than 50 watts.


That should be easy enough to work out. Most power supplies I buy these
days will take either 120/220.

If you want a controller, it looks like you need this:
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewIt...product=CW1113

Contact me off list and I'll ship if across the pond for you. Given how
low the dollar has gotten, it should cost you about a quid.

--Kurt


Thanks for the offer....generally ordering from the US isn't a problem
for kit apart from the power issue but hubby is sharp on that sort of
thing. I'll see what is available locally first though.

Temp is now down to 84F. I've moved the capnella and one of the star
polyp colonies over to the other tank. The capnella is looking a bit
better but still bent in the middle but I'm sure it will recover. The
stars aren't out yet so I'll give them a bit more time. I couldn't get
the other star colony out of the tank as the female clownfish decided it
needed to be protected and kept biting me whenever I went near it. The
mushrooms and xenia seem fine for now. I've located the other urchin and
it seems OK. I'll stick to just the two tubes again tomorrow and see how
things go.

Gill