betta salt non iodide

quick question please
i have read i should put salt in with my betta's and as long as it is non
iodide that it is fine, so went to the store and got some. morton salt
non-iodide ingredients: salt / calcium silicate
if this is ok to use...... how much salt do you use per gallon?
thanks
Nikki

ps: i have read on the net that it is ok and some places say no, so im
confused

Nikki wrote:
quick question please
i have read i should put salt in with my betta's and as long as it is non
iodide that it is fine, so went to the store and got some. morton salt
non-iodide ingredients: salt / calcium silicate
if this is ok to use...... how much salt do you use per gallon?
thanks
Nikki

ps: i have read on the net that it is ok and some places say no, so im
confused

Calcium silicate shouldn't hurt fish. I don't think it even dissolves
in water. The really bad salt ingredient is yellow prussate of soda
(turns into cyanide in the water).

I don't salt my bettas at all unless they're sick and then I use 1
tsp/gallon. When people keep bettas with salt all the time, I've seen
anything from 1 tsp/10 gallons to 1 tbsp/5 gallons. I suspect bettas
probably don't care too much.

If Idzine or Tnyk answer you, listen to what they say. They're both
betta breeders and experts! I just like having a betta or two around
the house. ;-)

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Calcium silicate shouldn't hurt fish. I don't think it even dissolves
in water. The really bad salt ingredient is yellow prussate of soda
(turns into cyanide in the water).

It's in all salt. Any salt is ok. It's a muth that table salt is no good.
Try it. Honest. If you can eat it it won't hurt your fish. Driveway salt
has about 10X the cyanide, still not much, and not enough to hurt you
(or else it would be labeled poison).


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Calcium silicate shouldn't hurt fish. I don't think it even dissolves
in water. The really bad salt ingredient is yellow prussate of soda
(turns into cyanide in the water).

It's in all salt. Any salt is ok. It's a muth that table salt is no good.
Try it. Honest. If you can eat it it won't hurt your fish. Driveway salt
has about 10X the cyanide, still not much, and not enough to hurt you
(or else it would be labeled poison).


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I read that somewhere too, about table salt being ok for occasional use.
Another myth bites the dust. I was thinking about myths when I was
Windexing the inside of an empty aquarium this week.

As for your contention that 'if it won't hurt a person, it won't hurt a
fish' - I think that one is a little too broad. The dosage different would
need to be 1000 times smaller due to the differences in mass (imagine eating
1000 teaspoons of table salt ;~). Fish also have some sensitivities we
don't have (ie: copper) and don't have, some we have (ie: iron?).

I don't think either fish or people can handle cyanide well ;~).
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"Nikki" wrote in message
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quick question please
i have read i should put salt in with my betta's and as long as it is non
iodide that it is fine, so went to the store and got some. morton salt
non-iodide ingredients: salt / calcium silicate
if this is ok to use...... how much salt do you use per gallon?
thanks
========================
I don't use any salt in my betta tanks. They live 4 years and sometimes
longer.
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Well I was asking also because these are the fish I got when I got the
guppies from my LFS, they all had ick, which may not of been smart to buy
them, but they are closing, they were the last of what she had and I felt
bad, I treated the guppies with ick med and had a lot of problems with them
I lost some but think I am on the right road now, been doing a lot of water
changes and i am feeding less, I was reading about bettas and ick and it
said turn heat up to 80-85 use salt and the ick will come off got to the
bottom of the tank and die from the salt, and it would also help prevent any
other bacteria problems since they were sick with ick, I also wanted to use
salt in my guppy tank being the problems they had but I have African dwarf
frogs in there and they don't tolerate salt, but I may remove them and use
it, im not sure yet.
I have another question about my guppy ill post separate.
Nikki



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"Nikki" wrote in message
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quick question please
i have read i should put salt in with my betta's and as long as it is non
iodide that it is fine, so went to the store and got some. morton salt
non-iodide ingredients: salt / calcium silicate
if this is ok to use...... how much salt do you use per gallon?
thanks
========================
I don't use any salt in my betta tanks. They live 4 years and sometimes
longer.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:29:44 -0500, "Nikki"
wrote:

Well I was asking also because these are the fish I got when I got the
guppies from my LFS, they all had ick,

I can't believe they accepted money for icky fish.

which may not of been smart to buy
them, but they are closing,

Forever, I hope?

-- Mister Gardener

Nikki wrote:
Well I was asking also because these are the fish I got when I got the
guppies from my LFS, they all had ick, which may not of been smart to buy
them, but they are closing, they were the last of what she had and I felt
bad, I treated the guppies with ick med and had a lot of problems with them
I lost some but think I am on the right road now, been doing a lot of water
changes and i am feeding less, I was reading about bettas and ick and it
said turn heat up to 80-85 use salt and the ick will come off got to the
bottom of the tank and die from the salt, and it would also help prevent any
other bacteria problems since they were sick with ick, I also wanted to use
salt in my guppy tank being the problems they had but I have African dwarf
frogs in there and they don't tolerate salt, but I may remove them and use
it, im not sure yet.
I have another question about my guppy ill post separate.
Nikki

You were kind to buy the last few fish. I'm sure they'll make it
through. Here's a good link about ich that explains its lifecycle and
how to do high temperature and salt.
http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml

Bettas do fine in high temperature but dislike salt. I've never tried
to treat a betta that way. I put the temperature at 82F and usea
Formalin/malachite medicine like Quick Cure. I find Quick Cure
reliable, easy, and safe.

Once the spots are gone, you need to keep treating for about two weeks
with medicine, or one week with high temps and salt. With Quick Cure,
once the parasites are gone, I dose again on days 3, 6, 9, and 12. On
day 14 I put the carbon back and figure I've killed all the ich that was
in the bottom of the tank.

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As for your contention that 'if it won't hurt a person, it won't hurt a
fish' - I think that one is a little too broad. The dosage different would
need to be 1000 times smaller due to the differences in mass (imagine eating
1000 teaspoons of table salt ;~). Fish also have some sensitivities we
don't have (ie: copper) and don't have, some we have (ie: iron?).

Err, I think all anmalks are equally affected by heavy metal ions.

I don't think either fish or people can handle cyanide well ;~).

The cyanide ion is deadly to all red blooded animals. Blocks hemoglobin
or soemthing. it's cyanate that's in salt. I think. don't quote me.


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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:29:44 -0500, "Nikki"
wrote:

Well I was asking also because these are the fish I got when I got the
guppies from my LFS, they all had ick, which may not of been smart to buy
them, but they are closing, they were the last of what she had and I felt
bad, I treated the guppies with ick med and had a lot of problems with them
I lost some but think I am on the right road now, been doing a lot of water
changes and i am feeding less, I was reading about bettas and ick and it
said turn heat up to 80-85 use salt and the ick will come off got to the
bottom of the tank and die from the salt, and it would also help prevent any
other bacteria problems since they were sick with ick, I also wanted to use
salt in my guppy tank being the problems they had but I have African dwarf
frogs in there and they don't tolerate salt, but I may remove them and use
it, im not sure yet.


I might have missed something along the way. You've treated the
guppies for ich and they are responding well? How many guppies have
you been able to save? Ich treatment is usually pretty effective when
you follow the instructions. And many people swear by salt. Do you
also have a betta with ich? If your frogs are unable to tolerate ich
medicine or salt, it would be worth the hassle to move them elsewhere
while you treat, since treatment is usually a sure thing. If your
guppies received a full cycle of ich treatment, then there should be
no need to continue treating them with medications or salt. Though
there are some guppy experts that do believe in keeping a little salt
in guppy tanks at all times. But that would mean finding a permanent
rather than a temporary vacation home for your froggies.

I still think the lfs that sold the icky fishes should have paid you
to take them. And given you a free bottle of ich treatment.

I have another question about my guppy ill post separate.
Nikki

We're ready and waiting. I bred some fine guppies in a previous life,
and though I don't have any immediate plans to resume, they are
probably my very favorite fish. And like eveything else in this hobby,
I've got some catching up to do.

-- Mister Gardener