melafix

Is this the right stuff you guys always talk about using for injuries an
stuff? it says for pond care?
Nikki

Sure MAela Fix will be more than happy to see you bought into their
snake oil scam...At one time it was a hot item for use with koi and gf
keepers, but it sure did not last long especially with their
exhorborant claims........Odds are a good water quality parameters and
daily water changes for sick fish will do more than PIMA or MELA can
even think of doing. I did a fairly even across the board experiement
with the interest of a well known koi group online, and they also
agreeded, expecially when I posted my results.............Out of all
known rem's or treatments melafix came in dead last and did only one
thing that it was extrememly good at, and that was to suck up a hole
in the wallet with promised results that never occured, but fish
treated with good replacement water were underway to healing within
days.......
Now I know there are gonna be a heap of folks that swear it works
wonders as it cured old Bobby or Sally etc etc...........but did it
really? Ever think it may have been just better water conditions the
fish got after it was allowed to get stressed out and sick? Ever
think it healed it self with its own reserves of its immun system etc?
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:24:37 -0500, "Nikki"
wrote:
Is this the right stuff you guys always talk about using for injuries an
stuff? it says for pond care?
Nikki


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Nikki wrote:
Is this the right stuff you guys always talk about using for injuries an
stuff? it says for pond care?
Nikki

Melafix isn't much use. It's awful in ponds if you have a waterfall -
foams everywhere. Are you still having trouble with your fish, Nikki?

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I did a fairly even across the board experiement
with the interest of a well known koi group online, and they also
agreeded, expecially when I posted my results

I'm generally pretty skeptical of Melafix too but my understanding from
the report I read was that it indeed speeds healing of open wounds
pretty significantly. The problem comes from their claims it treats
internal bacterial and fungal infections.

There has also been concerns that some anabantids have negative
reactions to it (i.e. bettas and gouramis). It's unsubstantiated as far
as I know but still interesting.

IDzine01 wrote:
I did a fairly even across the board experiement
with the interest of a well known koi group online, and they also
agreeded, expecially when I posted my results

I'm generally pretty skeptical of Melafix too but my understanding from
the report I read was that it indeed speeds healing of open wounds
pretty significantly. The problem comes from their claims it treats
internal bacterial and fungal infections.

There has also been concerns that some anabantids have negative
reactions to it (i.e. bettas and gouramis). It's unsubstantiated as far
as I know but still interesting.

Which report, and was it funded by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals? What were
the controls? Tea tree oil isn't even water soluble.

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On 22 Mar 2006 14:31:36 -0800, "IDzine01"
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I did a fairly even across the board experiement
with the interest of a well known koi group online, and they also
agreeded, expecially when I posted my results

I'm generally pretty skeptical of Melafix too but my understanding from
the report I read was that it indeed speeds healing of open wounds
pretty significantly. The problem comes from their claims it treats
internal bacterial and fungal infections.

There has also been concerns that some anabantids have negative
reactions to it (i.e. bettas and gouramis). It's unsubstantiated as far
as I know but still interesting.

I see Mela/Pima as good antiseptics. In the same way that betadine or
peroxide cleans up a human wound to allow the body's natural immune
system to do the actual healing. I have been pleased with the
mela/pima results on a few of my platies that had some mouth and tail
fungus going on, as well as some missing tissue from a couple of their
fins. The fungus cleared, the fins regenerated. I don't believe the
"medication" cured them, I believe I provided conditions conducive to
natural healing. I think API is doing a little wordplay in their
promotions, they say "heals" and "treats" several times, but I don't
recall "cures". They have bacteriostatic properties, probably some
bacteriocidal as well, but they are not antibiotics. Some fuzzy lines
between these definitions. If anyone from API is reading this, here's
my advice: Stop hinting that these are miracle medications, just
promote them for what they are, good adjuncts to therapy for fungal
and bacterial infections. Provides ideal conditions for nature to heal
its own. I think they would sell a lot more of the stuff. Uh, well,
maybe they could lower their price as well. It's no different than
humans who swallow stuff like vitamins and herbal remedies and teas or
alter their environments with air cleaners and avoidance of tobacco
smoke and degassing formaldehyde to help our own bodies maintain
strong immune systems and fight off everyday health threats.

ARE YOU LISTENING API? YOU'VE GOT A GOOD PRODUCT. DON'T RUIN IT BY
CLAIMING IT IS MORE THAN IT IS. (And don't stop the research, I think
there are still many unanswered questions with this stuff.)

-- Mister Gardener

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:51:16 GMT, Altum
wrote:

IDzine01 wrote:
I did a fairly even across the board experiement
with the interest of a well known koi group online, and they also
agreeded, expecially when I posted my results

I'm generally pretty skeptical of Melafix too but my understanding from
the report I read was that it indeed speeds healing of open wounds
pretty significantly. The problem comes from their claims it treats
internal bacterial and fungal infections.

There has also been concerns that some anabantids have negative
reactions to it (i.e. bettas and gouramis). It's unsubstantiated as far
as I know but still interesting.

Which report, and was it funded by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals? What were
the controls? Tea tree oil isn't even water soluble.

Neither are a lot of things. Like neomycin ointment.

-- Mister Gardener

Mr. Gardener wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:51:16 GMT, Altum
wrote:

IDzine01 wrote:
I did a fairly even across the board experiement
with the interest of a well known koi group online, and they also
agreeded, expecially when I posted my results
I'm generally pretty skeptical of Melafix too but my understanding from
the report I read was that it indeed speeds healing of open wounds
pretty significantly. The problem comes from their claims it treats
internal bacterial and fungal infections.

There has also been concerns that some anabantids have negative
reactions to it (i.e. bettas and gouramis). It's unsubstantiated as far
as I know but still interesting.
Which report, and was it funded by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals? What were
the controls? Tea tree oil isn't even water soluble.

Neither are a lot of things. Like neomycin ointment.

I'm sorry, but that's one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen. Are
you trying to suggest that you squirt your tube of neomycin in the
water? I find it more effective to remove the fish from the water and
THEN apply the insoluble ointment. ;-)

My point (that you clearly missed) is that API had to either alter the
tea tree oil or solubilize it to make MelaFix. I think they did both
because the stuff smells nothing like tea tree oil and foams like a
surfactant. Putting a surfactant in the water with a sick fish makes
absolutely no sense. Chemically altering a well studied essential oil
like tea tree oil makes even less sense. BTW, a quick study of herbal
medicine reveals that Pimenta racemosa oil is generally used for
bacterial infections and Melaleuca for fungus.

Just point me to a controlled, scientific study of the effectiveness of
MelaFix and I'll shut up. Until then, I maintain that it's snake oil.

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Nikki wrote:
Is this the right stuff you guys always talk about using for injuries an
stuff? it says for pond care?
Nikki

Melafix isn't much use. It's awful in ponds if you have a waterfall -
foams everywhere. Are you still having trouble with your fish, Nikki?

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No not really, fish are doing pretty good... this was my LFS's last week and
everything was 25% off, i seen one bottle of it on the shelf and a few times
when i was having trouble with the fish people had said to use it, so i
figured since it was on sale, it would not hurt to grab it just to have it
on hand.
I was reading the bottle and it said it helped promote healing in tail/fin
problems, so i thought i would ask if i should use it for the betta's, if
not i have it if i need it another time.

All four betta's are doing better, i was doing the daily water changes and
the ich treatment every three days, after i did not see it no more, the
tail/fins look a lot better and are growing back now, i finished the ich
treatment and cut back to every two or three days water changes. I have a
small hang on the back filter for each one and i got smaller heaters, i am
keeping the water at 78-80

The goldfish and gourami are better also, i got some ammo-carb (think its
the right stuff) since i treated their tank with ich med for that period of
time, i was going to use it to get any meds out of the tank that are left,
although i think the water changes should have taken care of it. Its called
activated carbon and ammonia remover, said to use it and change every four
weeks.
We are going to be setting up the 120, 55, 40L, I might have to seperate the
goldfish and gourami, i been noticing the gourami chasing the goldfish while
they are eating, which is strange since they been together for two years.
I really cant tell if they are playing for fighting so i am going to watch
them.
Nik
I put some pic of them on binaries.aquaria, but i am going to try again
today, they just wont sit still so i can get their pics.
..

Nikki wrote:
"Altum" wrote in message
m...
Nikki wrote:
Is this the right stuff you guys always talk about using for injuries an
stuff? it says for pond care?
Nikki
Melafix isn't much use. It's awful in ponds if you have a waterfall -
foams everywhere. Are you still having trouble with your fish, Nikki?

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Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com

No not really, fish are doing pretty good... this was my LFS's last week and
everything was 25% off, i seen one bottle of it on the shelf and a few times
when i was having trouble with the fish people had said to use it, so i
figured since it was on sale, it would not hurt to grab it just to have it
on hand.
I was reading the bottle and it said it helped promote healing in tail/fin
problems, so i thought i would ask if i should use it for the betta's, if
not i have it if i need it another time.

All four betta's are doing better, i was doing the daily water changes and
the ich treatment every three days, after i did not see it no more, the
tail/fins look a lot better and are growing back now, i finished the ich
treatment and cut back to every two or three days water changes. I have a
small hang on the back filter for each one and i got smaller heaters, i am
keeping the water at 78-80

The goldfish and gourami are better also, i got some ammo-carb (think its
the right stuff) since i treated their tank with ich med for that period of
time, i was going to use it to get any meds out of the tank that are left,
although i think the water changes should have taken care of it. Its called
activated carbon and ammonia remover, said to use it and change every four
weeks.
We are going to be setting up the 120, 55, 40L, I might have to seperate the
goldfish and gourami, i been noticing the gourami chasing the goldfish while
they are eating, which is strange since they been together for two years.
I really cant tell if they are playing for fighting so i am going to watch
them.
Nik
I put some pic of them on binaries.aquaria, but i am going to try again
today, they just wont sit still so i can get their pics.


Heh. I know about fish not sitting still. I'm an awful photographer,
so even when they stop moving I still miss the shot.

I'm glad all your fish are doing better. You had me worried about the
betta with the stuck heater.

Ammo-carb is so-so. It's fine for getting medicine out of the tank. It
has zeolite in it, an ammonia-absorbing mineral. That's the whitish
stuff mixed in with the carbon. Zeolite absorbs ammonia that your
biofilter should be "eating" anyway so it's not doing much for your
tank. Once you use up the Ammo-carb, switch to regular activated carbon
instead.

You probably saw from my other post that I'm not a fan of Melafix.
Water changes and simple remedies like salt work great. Why spend money
to fix what isn't broken? ;-)

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