Melafix does not contain tea tree oil

I found the MelaFix patent and now I know why the stuff doesn't smell of
tea tree. There's no tea tree oil in it. Everyone (Including Doc
Johnson at KoiVet) just assumed that Melaleuca referred to M.
alternifolia. I think it's a slightly misleading marketing ploy because
people are so familiar with tea tree oil.

MelaFix contains an essential oil called Cajeput, made from Melaleuca
cajuputi, or M. leucadendron. (CAS number 8008-98-8 from the Melafix
MSDS.) Cajeput and tea tree oil have fairly different chemical
compositions, despite the fact that the plants are from the same genus.
Cajeput is antibacterial, rather than antifungal like tea tree oil.
Its use for finrot makes a lot more sense.

Melafix is 1% cajeput, 1% Crovol PK-70 (surfactant), 0.2% FG-10 antifoam
(defoamer) and 97.8% distilled water. The final concentration of both
cajeput oil and Crovol in your tank is about 10 ppm.

This still doesn't address efficacy. There are anecdotes in the patent,
but no well-controlled studies.

The patent number is 5882647 if you want to look it up.

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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:21:52 GMT, Altum
wrote:

I found the MelaFix patent and now I know why the stuff doesn't smell of
tea tree. There's no tea tree oil in it. Everyone (Including Doc
Johnson at KoiVet) just assumed that Melaleuca referred to M.
alternifolia. I think it's a slightly misleading marketing ploy because
people are so familiar with tea tree oil.

MelaFix contains an essential oil called Cajeput, made from Melaleuca
cajuputi, or M. leucadendron. (CAS number 8008-98-8 from the Melafix
MSDS.) Cajeput and tea tree oil have fairly different chemical
compositions, despite the fact that the plants are from the same genus.
Cajeput is antibacterial, rather than antifungal like tea tree oil.
Its use for finrot makes a lot more sense.

Melafix is 1% cajeput, 1% Crovol PK-70 (surfactant), 0.2% FG-10 antifoam
(defoamer) and 97.8% distilled water. The final concentration of both
cajeput oil and Crovol in your tank is about 10 ppm.

This still doesn't address efficacy. There are anecdotes in the patent,
but no well-controlled studies.

The patent number is 5882647 if you want to look it up.

Have you learned anything about Melafix's partner, Pimafix?

-- Mister Gardener

"Altum" wrote in message
. com...
I found the MelaFix patent and now I know why the stuff doesn't smell of
tea tree. There's no tea tree oil in it. Everyone (Including Doc Johnson
at KoiVet) just assumed that Melaleuca referred to M. alternifolia. I
think it's a slightly misleading marketing ploy because people are so
familiar with tea tree oil.

MelaFix contains an essential oil called Cajeput, made from Melaleuca
cajuputi, or M. leucadendron. (CAS number 8008-98-8 from the Melafix
MSDS.) Cajeput and tea tree oil have fairly different chemical
compositions, despite the fact that the plants are from the same genus.
Cajeput is antibacterial, rather than antifungal like tea tree oil. Its
use for finrot makes a lot more sense.

Melafix is 1% cajeput, 1% Crovol PK-70 (surfactant), 0.2% FG-10 antifoam
(defoamer) and 97.8% distilled water. The final concentration of both
cajeput oil and Crovol in your tank is about 10 ppm.

This still doesn't address efficacy. There are anecdotes in the patent,
but no well-controlled studies.

The patent number is 5882647 if you want to look it up.

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I posted yesterday the ingredients from my bottle of melafix and #
Nik

Mr. Gardener wrote:

snip

Have you learned anything about Melafix's partner, Pimafix?

-- Mister Gardener

That one is a mix of Pimenta racemosa and Pimenta dioica. Patent
6,537,591. IMO, it's an unexpected choice of essential oils. Pimenta
racemosa is bay oil, or bay rum oil, and Pimenta dioica is allspice.
Bay rum oil is used in very small amounts in men's perfumes and allspice
oil is usually produced for use as a food additive. Neither are used
much in human medicine because they contain eugenol, a strong irritant
and sensitizer. Eugenol is the main component of clove oil and you've
probably noticed the pleasant, clove-like, spicy scent when you open the
Pimafix bottle.

Don't get Pimafix on your skin if you use it. There is enough eugenol
in Pimafix to cause sensitization in atopic individuals. Be VERY
careful with the pond strength Pimafix. Sensitization to eugenol can
cause bad cross-reactions to foods with spices like clove, nutmeg, and
allspice. By the time it's diluted down to tank concentrations, the
eugenol is of no concern.

Now, eugenol is a very good disinfectant and the "fungus" it treats
seems to be the fluffy bacterial infections like Flavobacterium
columnare. There is a small, controlled university study in the patent
where Pimafix reduced both Edwardsiella ictaluri and Flavobacterium
columnare mortality by 80% and 50% respectively. The fish were infected
INTERNALLY by injection as well as on the fins.

I wonder if API has actually found something helpful for Flavobacterium
that is not an antibiotic?

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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:36:10 GMT, Altum
wrote:

Mr. Gardener wrote:

snip

Have you learned anything about Melafix's partner, Pimafix?

-- Mister Gardener

That one is a mix of Pimenta racemosa and Pimenta dioica. Patent
6,537,591. IMO, it's an unexpected choice of essential oils. Pimenta
racemosa is bay oil, or bay rum oil, and Pimenta dioica is allspice.
Bay rum oil is used in very small amounts in men's perfumes and allspice
oil is usually produced for use as a food additive. Neither are used
much in human medicine because they contain eugenol, a strong irritant
and sensitizer. Eugenol is the main component of clove oil and you've
probably noticed the pleasant, clove-like, spicy scent when you open the
Pimafix bottle.

Don't get Pimafix on your skin if you use it. There is enough eugenol
in Pimafix to cause sensitization in atopic individuals. Be VERY
careful with the pond strength Pimafix. Sensitization to eugenol can
cause bad cross-reactions to foods with spices like clove, nutmeg, and
allspice. By the time it's diluted down to tank concentrations, the
eugenol is of no concern.

Now, eugenol is a very good disinfectant and the "fungus" it treats
seems to be the fluffy bacterial infections like Flavobacterium
columnare. There is a small, controlled university study in the patent
where Pimafix reduced both Edwardsiella ictaluri and Flavobacterium
columnare mortality by 80% and 50% respectively. The fish were infected
INTERNALLY by injection as well as on the fins.

I wonder if API has actually found something helpful for Flavobacterium
that is not an antibiotic?

We were talking about keeping an open mind yesterday and I am very
glad that you are digging into all this. I find the label information
on Mela and Pima somewhat confusing, it's not very clear to the
average joe or jane which product to use for what. The recommendations
overlap a good bit between the two products.

-- Mister Gardener

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:43:18 -0500, Mr. Gardener
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:36:10 GMT, Altum
wrote:

Mr. Gardener wrote:

snip

Have you learned anything about Melafix's partner, Pimafix?

-- Mister Gardener

That one is a mix of Pimenta racemosa and Pimenta dioica. Patent
6,537,591. IMO, it's an unexpected choice of essential oils. Pimenta
racemosa is bay oil, or bay rum oil, and Pimenta dioica is allspice.
Bay rum oil is used in very small amounts in men's perfumes and allspice
oil is usually produced for use as a food additive. Neither are used
much in human medicine because they contain eugenol, a strong irritant
and sensitizer. Eugenol is the main component of clove oil and you've
probably noticed the pleasant, clove-like, spicy scent when you open the
Pimafix bottle.

Don't get Pimafix on your skin if you use it. There is enough eugenol
in Pimafix to cause sensitization in atopic individuals. Be VERY
careful with the pond strength Pimafix. Sensitization to eugenol can
cause bad cross-reactions to foods with spices like clove, nutmeg, and
allspice. By the time it's diluted down to tank concentrations, the
eugenol is of no concern.

Now, eugenol is a very good disinfectant and the "fungus" it treats
seems to be the fluffy bacterial infections like Flavobacterium
columnare. There is a small, controlled university study in the patent
where Pimafix reduced both Edwardsiella ictaluri and Flavobacterium
columnare mortality by 80% and 50% respectively. The fish were infected
INTERNALLY by injection as well as on the fins.

I wonder if API has actually found something helpful for Flavobacterium
that is not an antibiotic?

We were talking about keeping an open mind yesterday and I am very
glad that you are digging into all this. I find the label information
on Mela and Pima somewhat confusing, it's not very clear to the
average joe or jane which product to use for what. The recommendations
overlap a good bit between the two products.

-- Mister Gardener
Replying to myself . . . I've also gotten the impression from articles
and from a few posts here that Melafix is used by some as a
prophylactic whenever introducing new fishes into a tank. I don't know
why I ask all these questions, because I think I can count on one hand
the number of times I've medicated a tank with anything in my 40 years
of fishkeeping. Perhaps it's the non-medicinal / non-traditional
aspects of Mela/Pima that intrigues me.


-- Mister Gardener

Mr. Gardener wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:43:18 -0500, Mr. Gardener
wrote:

We were talking about keeping an open mind yesterday and I am very
glad that you are digging into all this. I find the label information
on Mela and Pima somewhat confusing, it's not very clear to the
average joe or jane which product to use for what. The recommendations
overlap a good bit between the two products.

-- Mister Gardener
Replying to myself . . . I've also gotten the impression from articles
and from a few posts here that Melafix is used by some as a
prophylactic whenever introducing new fishes into a tank. I don't know
why I ask all these questions, because I think I can count on one hand
the number of times I've medicated a tank with anything in my 40 years
of fishkeeping. Perhaps it's the non-medicinal / non-traditional
aspects of Mela/Pima that intrigues me.

I have to admit, now that I know they're 1% essential oil, I'm a little
less skeptical. The lack of tea tree scent and everyone talking about
tea tree really threw me. At least they contain a reasonable amount of
something...

PimaFix is probably the stronger of the two. Eugenol is pretty potent
stuff with a long history in human medicine as an anesthetic and
antiseptic. Next time I have a non-eating fish with white patches,
dropsy, popeyes, or bacterial finrot I may give it a go. It should be
OK in planted tanks too.

I'm not as impressed by Cajeput oil. Believers could try Melafix to
prevent infection after injury or fin damage. Me, I'll stick to my
Q-tank for new arrivals, water changes, Neosporin, and salt.

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On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:02:30 GMT, Altum
wrote:

Mr. Gardener wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:43:18 -0500, Mr. Gardener
wrote:

We were talking about keeping an open mind yesterday and I am very
glad that you are digging into all this. I find the label information
on Mela and Pima somewhat confusing, it's not very clear to the
average joe or jane which product to use for what. The recommendations
overlap a good bit between the two products.

-- Mister Gardener
Replying to myself . . . I've also gotten the impression from articles
and from a few posts here that Melafix is used by some as a
prophylactic whenever introducing new fishes into a tank. I don't know
why I ask all these questions, because I think I can count on one hand
the number of times I've medicated a tank with anything in my 40 years
of fishkeeping. Perhaps it's the non-medicinal / non-traditional
aspects of Mela/Pima that intrigues me.

I have to admit, now that I know they're 1% essential oil, I'm a little
less skeptical. The lack of tea tree scent and everyone talking about
tea tree really threw me. At least they contain a reasonable amount of
something...

PimaFix is probably the stronger of the two. Eugenol is pretty potent
stuff with a long history in human medicine as an anesthetic and
antiseptic. Next time I have a non-eating fish with white patches,
dropsy, popeyes, or bacterial finrot I may give it a go. It should be
OK in planted tanks too.

I'm not as impressed by Cajeput oil. Believers could try Melafix to
prevent infection after injury or fin damage. Me, I'll stick to my
Q-tank for new arrivals, water changes, Neosporin, and salt.

I hope someone is archiving this lengthy discussion on these products
- the stuff is so commonly used, but until now, there was so much we
didn't know about it. This thread has the makings of a mini-FAQ.

-- Mister Gardener

"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
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I hope someone is archiving this lengthy discussion on these products
- the stuff is so commonly used, but until now, there was so much we
didn't know about it. This thread has the makings of a mini-FAQ.
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I hope someone is archiving this lengthy discussion on these products
- the stuff is so commonly used, but until now, there was so much we
didn't know about it. This thread has the makings of a mini-FAQ.
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