School's Out..Time for Trollers to surface

As someone in another newsgroup said, it's troll season.

For what it's worth......

We have two people here (at the moment, anyway) who have certain basic
troll characteristics:

They are unable or unwilling to take responsibility for their words or
behavior.

They are unable or unwilling to consider the possibility that they have
brought a great deal of dislike upon themselves.

I don't know for certain, but my feeling is that each of them is filled
with self-hate, and is unable to face that issue.

OK.

I've dealt with self-haters before, and this is what you can expect:

The only thing they can do with their venom is to flush it out on other
people. As a result, everything they say about you is a reflection of
their feelings about themselves.

Because of their self-hate, there is nothing that you can say that is as
bad as what they see in themselves. You can't hurt them, no matter how
hard you try.

The only thing that relieves their self-hate is to see other people in
pain. If you let them get to you, that only encourages them. That's why
they're here in the first place.

The point is that flaming them hurts you more than it hurts them.

What makes it worse--been here, seen this before, too--is that these
trolls are insiders. Yes, they hurt, they're depressed, they are at least
as far down as any of us. What that means is that they know all the right
buttons to push to make us angry. They have no conscience that prevents
them from pushing those buttons.

That is the difference between them and us. They have turned abusive. Yes,
that does make a difference. I've encountered some recovering abusers on
the net, and I learned a few things from that experience. The one thing
that sustains an abuser is denial; an abuser cannot allow hirself to be
open to the slightest possibility that sie is harming another human being.
They blame anyone and anything else in sight, but virtually all of that
blame is directed at the victim, in one way or another. Abusers REFUSE to
take responsibility for their behavior.

In dealing with an abuser, particularly from a treatment perspective, the
first and most important step is to break that denial. It is not only
breaking the denial about hurting other people. It is essential to break
the denial that they are not responsible for their behavior. They must
learn that they have to take responsibility for everything that they do,
and it is a hard lesson to teach.

Until an abuser's denial is broken, it is dangerous to give them any
sympathy. Sympathy gives them a way out, a way to avoid taking
responsibility. Someone else made them the way they are; they're not
responsible. This is utter garbage, and to give them this opening is truly
a disservice.

So.

They are here to feed on our pain. We don't have to give them that
satisfaction.

They stay only as long as we feed them well. If we want them to go, all we
have to do is to stop feeding them.

The solution for trolls is in two parts. First, recognize and understand
that they are here to hurt us. They way that they hurt us is to beat on us
with their own rage. Recognize that everything they say about us is a
reflection of their own self-hate. Even when they hit our triggers, it is
their rage, their self-hatred that they are giving us. We don't have to
let ourselves be hurt by the fact that they hate themselves. We don't have
to accept that. We can let them drown in their self-hate, simply by
ignoring them.

And that is the second part. If you want a troll to go away, ignore hir.
When no one responds to them, they are left with their own venom. That is
the last thing that a troll wants to have to deal with.

Let us build an ASD zoo. Let us build cages, and put the appropriate names
on those cages. Then let us put a sign in front of those cages:

DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS.

Then, most importantly, let us not feed the animals. Killfile or ignore
them, but do not respond to them, and do not accept their pain as your own.

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-ED wrote in
news
Until an abuser's denial is broken, it is dangerous to give them
any sympathy. Sympathy gives them a way out, a way to avoid
taking responsibility. Someone else made them the way they are;
they're not responsible. This is utter garbage, and to give
them this opening is truly a disservice.


You have nailed Caroly Adamo Gulley to a T!

The lying,morphing bitch doesn't care what any one thinks. She even
ignore her allies PB and Fred Hall In ARJW when they advise her stop
nym shifting and posting lies with no proof.

Good ****ing luck -ED, she gonna take this group DOWN!

Yea sure right there ED, but first we have to do your momma, then your
wife then we will get to the forums........


On Tue, 16 May 2006 02:40:58 GMT, -ED wrote:
As someone in another newsgroup said, it's troll season.

For what it's worth......

We have two people here (at the moment, anyway) who have certain basic
troll characteristics:

They are unable or unwilling to take responsibility for their words or
behavior.

They are unable or unwilling to consider the possibility that they have
brought a great deal of dislike upon themselves.

I don't know for certain, but my feeling is that each of them is filled
with self-hate, and is unable to face that issue.

OK.

I've dealt with self-haters before, and this is what you can expect:

The only thing they can do with their venom is to flush it out on other
people. As a result, everything they say about you is a reflection of
their feelings about themselves.

Because of their self-hate, there is nothing that you can say that is as
bad as what they see in themselves. You can't hurt them, no matter how
hard you try.

The only thing that relieves their self-hate is to see other people in
pain. If you let them get to you, that only encourages them. That's why
they're here in the first place.

The point is that flaming them hurts you more than it hurts them.

What makes it worse--been here, seen this before, too--is that these
trolls are insiders. Yes, they hurt, they're depressed, they are at least
as far down as any of us. What that means is that they know all the right
buttons to push to make us angry. They have no conscience that prevents
them from pushing those buttons.

That is the difference between them and us. They have turned abusive. Yes,
that does make a difference. I've encountered some recovering abusers on
the net, and I learned a few things from that experience. The one thing
that sustains an abuser is denial; an abuser cannot allow hirself to be
open to the slightest possibility that sie is harming another human being.
They blame anyone and anything else in sight, but virtually all of that
blame is directed at the victim, in one way or another. Abusers REFUSE to
take responsibility for their behavior.

In dealing with an abuser, particularly from a treatment perspective, the
first and most important step is to break that denial. It is not only
breaking the denial about hurting other people. It is essential to break
the denial that they are not responsible for their behavior. They must
learn that they have to take responsibility for everything that they do,
and it is a hard lesson to teach.

Until an abuser's denial is broken, it is dangerous to give them any
sympathy. Sympathy gives them a way out, a way to avoid taking
responsibility. Someone else made them the way they are; they're not
responsible. This is utter garbage, and to give them this opening is truly
a disservice.

So.

They are here to feed on our pain. We don't have to give them that
satisfaction.

They stay only as long as we feed them well. If we want them to go, all we
have to do is to stop feeding them.

The solution for trolls is in two parts. First, recognize and understand
that they are here to hurt us. They way that they hurt us is to beat on us
with their own rage. Recognize that everything they say about us is a
reflection of their own self-hate. Even when they hit our triggers, it is
their rage, their self-hatred that they are giving us. We don't have to
let ourselves be hurt by the fact that they hate themselves. We don't have
to accept that. We can let them drown in their self-hate, simply by
ignoring them.

And that is the second part. If you want a troll to go away, ignore hir.
When no one responds to them, they are left with their own venom. That is
the last thing that a troll wants to have to deal with.

Let us build an ASD zoo. Let us build cages, and put the appropriate names
on those cages. Then let us put a sign in front of those cages:

DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS.

Then, most importantly, let us not feed the animals. Killfile or ignore
them, but do not respond to them, and do not accept their pain as your own.


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