Pump for 20 ft lift

I'm thinking of moving my whole sump to my first floor that has a great
window w/ natural sunlight for a refugium.

I think it's about a 16ft rise back to my tank (20' for margin of
error), so would a regular oversized submersible pump work? I'd expect
lower water throughput then it's rated, but then that's why it's oversized.

If not, where would I find a suitable pump?

--Kurt

Checkouty a sequence 1000 pump with sal****er seals. IIRC it has a
head pressure that will work in that height. AZPONDS.com is one and
probably the cheapes tplace to buy one at. I think the larger Danner
Mag drives will also work ok in sal****er and also provides
sufficieint head push.
External pumps
http://www.azponds.com/new%20sequence.htm
Submersible Pumps
http://www.azponds.com/subpumps.htm

Pondmaster Pro Hy-Drive pump are high head others are not.
On Sequence pumps all can be used in sal****er and a salt water seal
can be installed.

On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:27:14 -0500, KurtG
wrote:


I'm thinking of moving my whole sump to my first floor that has a great
window w/ natural sunlight for a refugium.

I think it's about a 16ft rise back to my tank (20' for margin of
error), so would a regular oversized submersible pump work? I'd expect
lower water throughput then it's rated, but then that's why it's oversized.

If not, where would I find a suitable pump?

--Kurt



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Tristan wrote:

Checkouty a sequence 1000 pump with sal****er seals.


Thanks. You put me on the right track.

Sequence pumps are external, and all can be retro fit with seals for
sal****er use. I just got a load of used but like new pumps of which
most were Sequence. These were all submerged in water after a storm
here and folks had their pump houses or vaults flooded, as well as
some that were merely exposed to lots ofrain. Ignorant homeowners that
di dnot know any better all claled local rip off pond and water garden
place here to come fix their outside koi and golkd fish ponds. Well
companies are not gonna repair anyhting so they just instalalednew
pumps and carried the others back to the shop and threw them in a pile
outside, and I got them all. LAst count was 11 Sequence pumps and a
bumch of other brands of pumps as well. I took em all apart, blew out
any water, cleaned off any rust onthe inside of the stator windings,
and allowed to air dry. I chjecked the bearings and if there wsa water
in them I replaced them, Bearings are dirt cheap, so now I have 11
Sequence pumps from the 750 up to the self primers all runing nice and
quiet as a churchmouse and do not have $50 in repairing them all and
they all work just fine and have been operartionally checked and run,
pumping water for at least a 24 hour period. I had to replace a
capacitor on one but happened to have a few of that size capacitor
anyhow. I also had a lot of the bearings I needed as well. Now I
intend to separate all the burial vaults I have ganged together with
flow thorugh filtration that I use to raise up godfish, koi and
catfish as well as some other tropical fish like cichlids in so that I
cancontrol each tank with a pump and filter individually. Life is
good when you dumpster dive! ;-) Oh I also found a bunch of other old
new unused stock like filter housings and media and weirs and water
fall forms that they threw out. Yea I know its all freshwater stuff
but it just goes to show how good Sequence pumps are and how reliable
and easy to repair them. I have 5 Sequence pumps that I have in
operation previously before this find that I bought new that has been
in use for close to 5 or more years and have never leaked a drop or
missed a beat, and run 24/7/365

On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:35:15 -0500, KurtG
wrote:

Tristan wrote:

Checkouty a sequence 1000 pump with sal****er seals.


Thanks. You put me on the right track.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"KurtG" wrote in message
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Tristan wrote:

Checkouty a sequence 1000 pump with sal****er seals.


Thanks. You put me on the right track.

If these are large submersibles, you should be aware that they can heat up
significantly at such high head loads. This could cause problems with
maintaining a proper tank temperature. Just something to consider.

George

"George" wrote in message ...
"KurtG" wrote in message
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Tristan wrote:

Checkouty a sequence 1000 pump with sal****er seals.


Thanks. You put me on the right track.

If these are large submersibles, you should be aware that they can heat up
significantly at such high head loads. This could cause problems with
maintaining a proper tank temperature. Just something to consider.

Is there any relationship between the head pressure you use
the pump with and the amount of electricity it uses up ?

If so, I would guess the relationship would be that more head
pressure would cause LESS power consumption for the same pump.

I remember that this thing with submersible water pumps and power
consumption was going against the, so called, "common sense" ;-)

You can get Flow-vs-Head height from the pump manufacturer of the pump.
20' you'll be paying out the ass for a pump.

Here is a better idea for lighting. This is what I use and it works GREAT
!!!
http://www.melevsreef.com/fuge_bulb.html

Chris


"KurtG" wrote in message
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I'm thinking of moving my whole sump to my first floor that has a great
window w/ natural sunlight for a refugium.

I think it's about a 16ft rise back to my tank (20' for margin of error),
so would a regular oversized submersible pump work? I'd expect lower
water throughput then it's rated, but then that's why it's oversized.

If not, where would I find a suitable pump?

--Kurt

"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"George" wrote in message
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"KurtG" wrote in message
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Tristan wrote:

Checkouty a sequence 1000 pump with sal****er seals.


Thanks. You put me on the right track.

If these are large submersibles, you should be aware that they can heat
up significantly at such high head loads. This could cause problems
with maintaining a proper tank temperature. Just something to consider.

Is there any relationship between the head pressure you use
the pump with and the amount of electricity it uses up ?

If so, I would guess the relationship would be that more head
pressure would cause LESS power consumption for the same pump.

I remember that this thing with submersible water pumps and power
consumption was going against the, so called, "common sense" ;-)

Most, if not all, submersibles rely on water flow for cooling. The more
head, the less flow, the less the pump is able to shed heat. So it heats
up internally (as well as the water it is sitting in) as the head
increases. Most pumps today can handle this heat (unless the pump is
deadheaded) to a point. Whether or not the critters in the aquarium can is
another matter altogether.

George

George wrote:
If these are large submersibles, you should be aware that they can heat
up significantly at such high head loads. This could cause problems
with maintaining a proper tank temperature.

Good point. I think one of these two will work. I'm leaning towards
the smaller one.

http://tinyurl.com/ygagh8
http://tinyurl.com/ycx8fw

They are both external, so air cooled.

--Kurt

TheRock wrote:
You can get Flow-vs-Head height from the pump manufacturer of the pump.
20' you'll be paying out the ass for a pump.

$180. I have limited room in my living area on 2nd floor, but plenty of
space on my 1st.

Thanks for the idea. 19W would be more efficient then a 200 W pump. I
need the visit the local livestock store to see about a large tub.

--Kurt