Run small tank with no mechanical filter

I have a small 1.6 gallon fish tank. I added a small gold fish and a
pleco. I think the tank is going through the set-up cycle (amonia
nitrite nitrate). I think the gold fish is passing out. Anyways, Is
it possible to have that small tank with no mechanical filter, just
the air stone and the undergravel filter?

NO NO AND NO!
YOu need a larger tank, much larger, or get rid of the fish!
On 29 Jan 2007 10:52:00 -0800, "Pablo" wrote:

I have a small 1.6 gallon fish tank. I added a small gold fish and a
pleco. I think the tank is going through the set-up cycle (amonia
nitrite nitrate). I think the gold fish is passing out. Anyways, Is
it possible to have that small tank with no mechanical filter, just
the air stone and the undergravel filter?



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"Pablo" wrote in message
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I have a small 1.6 gallon fish tank. I added a small gold fish and a
pleco. I think the tank is going through the set-up cycle (amonia
nitrite nitrate). I think the gold fish is passing out. Anyways, Is
it possible to have that small tank with no mechanical filter, just
the air stone and the undergravel filter?
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Plecos reach 18" in length if you have the usual pleco the stores sell.
Goldfish reach 12" or more in length. Your tank is suitable for one betta.
Please take the other two fish back to the store before both die.
Meanwhile start doing partial water changes using water of close temperature
and something to remove the chlorine and any chlorimines the water contains
to dilute the toxic ammonia.
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Ok, I will replace fish. But Can I still run the tank in the future
without mechanica filter?

On Jan 29, 1:28 pm, Zëbulon wrote:
"Pablo" wrote in glegroups.com...I have a small 1.6 gallon fish tank. I added a small gold fish and a
pleco. I think the tank is going through the set-up cycle (amonia
nitrite nitrate). I think the gold fish is passing out. Anyways, Is
it possible to have that small tank with no mechanical filter, just
the air stone and the undergravel filter?=======================
Plecos reach 18" in length if you have the usual pleco the stores sell.
Goldfish reach 12" or more in length. Your tank is suitable for one betta.
Please take the other two fish back to the store before both die.
Meanwhile start doing partial water changes using water of close temperature
and something to remove the chlorine and any chlorimines the water contains
to dilute the toxic ammonia.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

On 29 Jan 2007 11:38:24 -0800, "Pablo" wrote:

Ok, I will replace fish. But Can I still run the tank in the future
without mechanica filter?

snip a bunch of crap from a plagarizing indivual............that does
know know what the heck she is talking about.

A mech filter is needed unless your committed to doing water changes
on a constant basis. In such a small container of water with even a
single fish like a betta or such it doe snot take long before the
water quality goes to hell and becomes toxic to the fish......A
mechanical filter helps, but its still not a cure all. You will find
small quanity of water containers to be a lot harder to take care of
tha one of a larger quanity. It can be done, but they normally
require more attention and are not as forgiving as a larger container
is.

There are more than just a betta that will do ok in a tank, but I uwld
sitl use a hob type mechanical filter, forget an airstone and do water
changes....


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On Jan 29, 12:52?pm, "Pablo" wrote:
I have a small 1.6 gallon fish tank. I added a small gold fish and a
pleco. I think the tank is going through the set-up cycle (amonia
nitrite nitrate). I think the gold fish is passing out. Anyways, Is
it possible to have that small tank with no mechanical filter, just
the air stone and the undergravel filter?

Oh my! = O

From your situation, the size of the tank and the fish you've put in
it and the obvious question you're asking, I'm going to assume you
haven't researched much about fish tanks, their set ups and what is
appropriate to house the fish choices you've made.
Here's the bad news.
You have a 1.6 gallon tank. About the only thing you can house in such
a small tank is one male Betta, or a couple of the smaller viarieties
of Killifish. That's about it.
As for a Goldfish...never. Doesn't matter what type, they can't live
in a 1.6 gallon tank (unless they're a tiny baby of about a 1/4" in
long or less). Plecos....never. Again, doesn't matter which type
(there are SO many). The most commonly sold are the common Pleco's and
they grow about a foot and half in legnth. Goldfish...Commons..12" or
longer, Comets 16" long, Fancies...8" long, Koi...about 3 feet and
have no place in a tank anyway.
Now..add their huge body mass to that legnth and you end up with a
very large fish. These fish put out more waste than the average fish
of that size too, they need better filtration than normal.
An undergravel filter isn't enough and most likely your fish is
suffering from ammonia poisoning.
The Pleco will be next, and if you don't get a much larger tank very
quickly, both are going to die.
Depending on the type of Goldie it is, the fancies need about 15g per
goldfish, and the larger ones (Commons and Comets) about 20g's per
fish. The common plecos should be in a tank of about 90+ gallons when
fully grown.
Looking at my 75g, I wouldn't want to house a half grown common Pleco
in there, let along a 1.6g tank.
The best advice I can give you is to please research setting up a
tank, what's involved, then go to the species of fish.
Think of fish you like, research them.See what their requirements are
and if they are compatible with what you have, or with other fish you
may want to house with it.
This is of course if you get a larger tank.
Basically, Goldies can only with other Goldies.
Warm water tropicals need different tank requirements than Goldfish
do, so they aren't fine to keep together.
Another good piece of advice, many shop employees don't know squat,
yet act like they do.
It's much better to research on your own and if you need something
answered or a specific Q about a certain fish, etc...post it here.
In close to 30 yrs of being in this hobby I have heard so much crap
being told to customers, that's it's not even funny anymore.
Good luck, but do know that you cannot leave these fish in this tank.
They will die from it if you do.

"Pablo" wrote in message
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Ok, I will replace fish. But Can I still run the tank in the future
without mechanica filter?
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I small filter, called palm filters or even a small inside box filter would
be better than no filter at all. I have kept a betta now for 2 years in a
2g unfiltered tank and he is fine. :-) If you use a small filter you can
keep other types of fish that don't grow very large. A few guppies or
tetras etc. But then you'll need a small heater (bettas like heat too)
unless your home is in the mid to high 70s year round. Mine is so no
heaters are used here.
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Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
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"Tristan" wrote in message
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snip a bunch of crap from a plagarizing indivual............that does
know know what the heck she is talking about.
===============
You have yet to prove your libelous, slanderous accusations or report me to
the Police for plagiarizing.

Prozac can help you get over your obsession with me and professional
counciling can help you get over using slander and intimidation as an ego
builder. Talk to
your Dr at the VA hospital about the proper medications. You can live a
normal life free of hate and obsessions but you must make an
effort.

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ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
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So you have been keeping your betta for two year without filter, Then
I am assuming you change 25% to 50% of the water every week. Is that
right?

On Jan 29, 2:20 pm, Zëbulon wrote:
"Pablo" wrote in ooglegroups.com...
Ok, I will replace fish. But Can I still run the tank in the future
without mechanica filter?
=========================
I small filter, called palm filters or even a small inside box filter would
be better than no filter at all. I have kept a betta now for 2 years in a
2g unfiltered tank and he is fine. :-) If you use a small filter you can
keep other types of fish that don't grow very large. A few guppies or
tetras etc. But then you'll need a small heater (bettas like heat too)
unless your home is in the mid to high 70s year round. Mine is so no
heaters are used here.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

Just beaware Carol Gulley aka Zebulon will tel a l ie in a heart beat
and lead yu down the wrong road in your quest to keep fish. She is a
lunatic and toll who only knows how to give erroneous info. Wait for
Tynk or Gill Passman to answer your reply and pay Zebulon no
attention less you like dead fish

On 29 Jan 2007 13:53:24 -0800, "Pablo" wrote:

So you have been keeping your betta for two year without filter, Then
I am assuming you change 25% to 50% of the water every week. Is that
right?

On Jan 29, 2:20 pm, Zëbulon wrote:
"Pablo" wrote in ooglegroups.com...
Ok, I will replace fish. But Can I still run the tank in the future
without mechanica filter?
=========================
I small filter, called palm filters or even a small inside box filter would
be better than no filter at all. I have kept a betta now for 2 years in a
2g unfiltered tank and he is fine. :-) If you use a small filter you can
keep other types of fish that don't grow very large. A few guppies or
tetras etc. But then you'll need a small heater (bettas like heat too)
unless your home is in the mid to high 70s year round. Mine is so no
heaters are used here.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*



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