Anyone using Permalon Liners?

Anyone using Permalon for your pond liner?
I am debating whether to go with Permalon or EDPM.

I will be using 2 old' -45 mil EDPM liners side by side as a protective
cushion and then lay the Permalon on top of it.
Anyone know how many years Permalon should last?

I am using Permalon - but only in the Veggie Filters so far.
Kenco sells Permalon and the stats will astound you.
It is lightweight but very strong... stronger than EPMD..

Shipping charges wont be high either.

Kenco.... you anywhere out there?

Nedra in Missouri
zone 6
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"matrix" wrote in message
...
Anyone using Permalon for your pond liner?
I am debating whether to go with Permalon or EDPM.

I will be using 2 old' -45 mil EDPM liners side by side as a protective
cushion and then lay the Permalon on top of it.
Anyone know how many years Permalon should last?

I have used permalon, it is pretty good in most respects, won't
puncture easily and is light and easy to use. The one drawback is
that it abrades easily. I got leaks where I had rocks overlaying
and deer regularly come to drink . . . now my stream and waterfall
have edpm instead.



On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 02:41:58 GMT, "Nedra"
wrote:

I am using Permalon - but only in the Veggie Filters so far.
Kenco sells Permalon and the stats will astound you.
It is lightweight but very strong... stronger than EPMD..

Shipping charges wont be high either.

Kenco.... you anywhere out there?

Nedra in Missouri
zone 6
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"matrix" wrote in message
...
Anyone using Permalon for your pond liner?
I am debating whether to go with Permalon or EDPM.

I will be using 2 old' -45 mil EDPM liners side by side as a protective
cushion and then lay the Permalon on top of it.
Anyone know how many years Permalon should last?

yes. I too have permalon in my last pond and am happy with it. but the Pond Lady
used it in one of her newest water lily greenhouses and they walk thru them all the
time and the dirt and grit ends up on the liner and they too abraded right thru the
liner. she is going to reline with EPDM. Ingrid

Paul Menashe wrote:
I have used permalon, it is pretty good in most respects, won't
puncture easily and is light and easy to use. The one drawback is
that it abrades easily. I got leaks where I had rocks overlaying
and deer regularly come to drink . . . now my stream and waterfall
have edpm instead.


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wrote in message
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yes. I too have permalon in my last pond and am happy with it. but the
Pond Lady
used it in one of her newest water lily greenhouses and they walk thru
them all the
time and the dirt and grit ends up on the liner and they too abraded right
thru the
liner. she is going to reline with EPDM. Ingrid

Paul Menashe wrote:
I have used permalon, it is pretty good in most respects, won't
puncture easily and is light and easy to use. The one drawback is
that it abrades easily. I got leaks where I had rocks overlaying
and deer regularly come to drink . . . now my stream and waterfall
have edpm instead.
snip

I don't use permalon, so be sure to salt your newsreader while reading this
post. I have heard from others that the Permalon does not stretch as well as
the EPDM. In working on my pond hole, I found the bendability/stretchability
of the EPDM to be important.

BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

and I wanted permalon so I could make nice square corners in my rectangular pond. I
was able to open the pleats just enough that no fish would get caught in the folds.
it was a plus for me. Ingrid

"BenignVanilla" wrote:
I don't use permalon, so be sure to salt your newsreader while reading this
post. I have heard from others that the Permalon does not stretch as well as
the EPDM. In working on my pond hole, I found the bendability/stretchability
of the EPDM to be important.

BV.
www.iheartmypond.com




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:41:40 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
wrote:

I don't use permalon, so be sure to salt your newsreader while reading this
post. I have heard from others that the Permalon does not stretch as well as
the EPDM. In working on my pond hole, I found the bendability/stretchability
of the EPDM to be important.

True permalon doesn't stretch as well, but I didn't find that a
problem and it does stretch some. The lighter weight of the material
makes it much easier to work with than EPDM. I tapered the bottom
when I put in a bottom drain and I have a few wrinkles in that area,
but I would have wrinkles no matter what liner I used and I still feel
the permalon was easier.

Regards,

Hal

Nedra wrote:

I am using Permalon - but only in the Veggie Filters so far.
Kenco sells Permalon and the stats will astound you.
It is lightweight but very strong... stronger than EPMD..

Shipping charges wont be high either.

Kenco.... you anywhere out there?


im here every day
50 yr life span accrding to Gvt. testing



Nedra in Missouri
zone 6
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"matrix" wrote in message
...

Anyone using Permalon for your pond liner?
I am debating whether to go with Permalon or EDPM.

I will be using 2 old' -45 mil EDPM liners side by side as a protective
cushion and then lay the Permalon on top of it.
Anyone know how many years Permalon should last?






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Ahhh .. there you are, Ken.

Matrix, scroll on down to the
end of Ken's post and give him a call.
He is the best source I know of.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"KenCo" wrote in message
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Nedra wrote:

I am using Permalon - but only in the Veggie Filters so far.
Kenco sells Permalon and the stats will astound you.
It is lightweight but very strong... stronger than EPMD..

Shipping charges wont be high either.

Kenco.... you anywhere out there?


im here every day
50 yr life span accrding to Gvt. testing



Nedra in Missouri
zone 6
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"matrix" wrote in message
...

Anyone using Permalon for your pond liner?
I am debating whether to go with Permalon or EDPM.

I will be using 2 old' -45 mil EDPM liners side by side as a protective
cushion and then lay the Permalon on top of it.
Anyone know how many years Permalon should last?






--
--
http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold,
401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556
Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators
Shipping to legal states/countries only!
Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps


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Thanks Nedra, Ken and everyone!
I Googled the group and found some old posts about Permalon....

I liked the one where John Rutz ran over his Permalon with a back hoe
with no damage to the liner!

.....funny AND informative! heh heh