Live rock

If I put L.R. in my sump do I need lighting for it to stay alive?

Rock doesn't need light...algae does.
Is live rock really live ?

I believe it just accommodates, beneficial bacteria, worms, pods, misc
micro fauna and algae.
So I guess if your make your sump a refugium style sump then yes to the
light. 10,000K

right ?

"Harry Ohanian" wrote in message
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If I put L.R. in my sump do I need lighting for it to stay alive?

That's what i wanna to talk

Hi;
You did hit the point. Live rock exists even at 200 foot depths where
light is dim.
Ilumination is one of the most over-rated fixtures of a sal****er
aquarium. A very expensive over-rated fixture.
Live rock doesn't need much light, even if the algae dies the rock stays
alive as long as the animals within are being fed.
Hard coral is another story. These types of anthozoans have an algae
incorporated within as a simbiont. If the algae is not doing its part of
the conditions get unbearable, the polyp will expell the zooxanthella and
will be able to live without it for periods of time. The drawback about not
having the algae in the symbiosis is the loss of colours, the main reason
for having corals in a reef aquarium.
I grew up in the Caribbean, I haven't seen coral reefs like those anywhere
else other than Australia and the IndoPacific, the probable birth place of
coral reefs. The majority of the time the water visibility is not great and
coral reefs manage to survive with little and poor light at depths of up to
100 feet.

jrs
"TheRock" wrote in message
news:kGZLf.2274$UN1.1116@trndny08...
Rock doesn't need light...algae does.
Is live rock really live ?

I believe it just accommodates, beneficial bacteria, worms, pods, misc
micro fauna and algae.
So I guess if your make your sump a refugium style sump then yes to the
light. 10,000K

right ?

"Harry Ohanian" wrote in message
. ..
If I put L.R. in my sump do I need lighting for it to stay alive?

Lighting is not over rated for reef tanks.

When corals loose theier symbiotic algae, they are weekend
by the loss of food that this algae was providing them.

The corals you saw living in low light were probably low
light corals, not the type of coras that we keep.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Jaime R-S wrote on 2/25/2006 11:05 AM:
Hi;
You did hit the point. Live rock exists even at 200 foot depths where
light is dim.
Ilumination is one of the most over-rated fixtures of a sal****er
aquarium. A very expensive over-rated fixture.
Live rock doesn't need much light, even if the algae dies the rock stays
alive as long as the animals within are being fed.
Hard coral is another story. These types of anthozoans have an algae
incorporated within as a simbiont. If the algae is not doing its part of
the conditions get unbearable, the polyp will expell the zooxanthella and
will be able to live without it for periods of time. The drawback about not
having the algae in the symbiosis is the loss of colours, the main reason
for having corals in a reef aquarium.
I grew up in the Caribbean, I haven't seen coral reefs like those anywhere
else other than Australia and the IndoPacific, the probable birth place of
coral reefs. The majority of the time the water visibility is not great and
coral reefs manage to survive with little and poor light at depths of up to
100 feet.

jrs
"TheRock" wrote in message
news:kGZLf.2274$UN1.1116@trndny08...

Rock doesn't need light...algae does.
Is live rock really live ?

I believe it just accommodates, beneficial bacteria, worms, pods, misc
micro fauna and algae.
So I guess if your make your sump a refugium style sump then yes to the
light. 10,000K

right ?

"Harry Ohanian" wrote in message
m...

If I put L.R. in my sump do I need lighting for it to stay alive?

Also reef aquariums don't provide the large amount of
plankton available in the ocean, and trying to imitate
that much, can spoil the water easily.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Wayne Sallee wrote on 2/25/2006 11:42 AM:
Lighting is not over rated for reef tanks.

When corals loose theier symbiotic algae, they are weekend by the loss
of food that this algae was providing them.

The corals you saw living in low light were probably low light corals,
not the type of coras that we keep.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Jaime R-S wrote on 2/25/2006 11:05 AM:

Hi;
You did hit the point. Live rock exists even at 200 foot depths
where light is dim.
Ilumination is one of the most over-rated fixtures of a sal****er
aquarium. A very expensive over-rated fixture.
Live rock doesn't need much light, even if the algae dies the rock
stays alive as long as the animals within are being fed.
Hard coral is another story. These types of anthozoans have an
algae incorporated within as a simbiont. If the algae is not doing
its part of the conditions get unbearable, the polyp will expell the
zooxanthella and will be able to live without it for periods of time.
The drawback about not having the algae in the symbiosis is the loss
of colours, the main reason for having corals in a reef aquarium.
I grew up in the Caribbean, I haven't seen coral reefs like those
anywhere else other than Australia and the IndoPacific, the probable
birth place of coral reefs. The majority of the time the water
visibility is not great and coral reefs manage to survive with little
and poor light at depths of up to 100 feet.

jrs
"TheRock" wrote in message
news:kGZLf.2274$UN1.1116@trndny08...

Rock doesn't need light...algae does.
Is live rock really live ?

I believe it just accommodates, beneficial bacteria, worms, pods,
misc micro fauna and algae.
So I guess if your make your sump a refugium style sump then yes to
the light. 10,000K

right ?

"Harry Ohanian" wrote in message
. ..

If I put L.R. in my sump do I need lighting for it to stay alive?

That's the next step in reef keeping, keeping colorfull
deep water soft corals that don't like light, but require
plenty of food.

It used to be thought that one could not keep corals in an
aquarium, but with the knowlage available, it's easy. The
next chanlange is a tank full of the colorfull soft corals
found deep in the ocean. Then instead of lighing being the
most important equipment, a chiller would be the most
important equipment.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Wayne Sallee wrote on 2/25/2006 3:44 PM:
Also reef aquariums don't provide the large amount of plankton available
in the ocean, and trying to imitate that much, can spoil the water easily.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Wayne Sallee wrote on 2/25/2006 11:42 AM:

Lighting is not over rated for reef tanks.

When corals loose theier symbiotic algae, they are weekend by the loss
of food that this algae was providing them.

The corals you saw living in low light were probably low light corals,
not the type of coras that we keep.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Jaime R-S wrote on 2/25/2006 11:05 AM:

Hi;
You did hit the point. Live rock exists even at 200 foot depths
where light is dim.
Ilumination is one of the most over-rated fixtures of a sal****er
aquarium. A very expensive over-rated fixture.
Live rock doesn't need much light, even if the algae dies the
rock stays alive as long as the animals within are being fed.
Hard coral is another story. These types of anthozoans have an
algae incorporated within as a simbiont. If the algae is not doing
its part of the conditions get unbearable, the polyp will expell the
zooxanthella and will be able to live without it for periods of
time. The drawback about not having the algae in the symbiosis is
the loss of colours, the main reason for having corals in a reef
aquarium.
I grew up in the Caribbean, I haven't seen coral reefs like those
anywhere else other than Australia and the IndoPacific, the probable
birth place of coral reefs. The majority of the time the water
visibility is not great and coral reefs manage to survive with little
and poor light at depths of up to 100 feet.

jrs
"TheRock" wrote in message
news:kGZLf.2274$UN1.1116@trndny08...

Rock doesn't need light...algae does.
Is live rock really live ?

I believe it just accommodates, beneficial bacteria, worms, pods,
misc micro fauna and algae.
So I guess if your make your sump a refugium style sump then yes to
the light. 10,000K

right ?

"Harry Ohanian" wrote in message
. ..

If I put L.R. in my sump do I need lighting for it to stay alive?

lol

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
Also reef aquariums don't provide the large amount of plankton available
in the ocean, and trying to imitate that much, can spoil the water easily.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Wayne Sallee wrote on 2/25/2006 11:42 AM:
Lighting is not over rated for reef tanks.

When corals loose theier symbiotic algae, they are weekend by the loss of
food that this algae was providing them.

The corals you saw living in low light were probably low light corals,
not the type of coras that we keep.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Jaime R-S wrote on 2/25/2006 11:05 AM:

Hi;
You did hit the point. Live rock exists even at 200 foot depths
where light is dim.
Ilumination is one of the most over-rated fixtures of a sal****er
aquarium. A very expensive over-rated fixture.
Live rock doesn't need much light, even if the algae dies the rock
stays alive as long as the animals within are being fed.
Hard coral is another story. These types of anthozoans have an
algae incorporated within as a simbiont. If the algae is not doing its
part of the conditions get unbearable, the polyp will expell the
zooxanthella and will be able to live without it for periods of time.
The drawback about not having the algae in the symbiosis is the loss of
colours, the main reason for having corals in a reef aquarium.
I grew up in the Caribbean, I haven't seen coral reefs like those
anywhere else other than Australia and the IndoPacific, the probable
birth place of coral reefs. The majority of the time the water
visibility is not great and coral reefs manage to survive with little
and poor light at depths of up to 100 feet.

jrs
"TheRock" wrote in message
news:kGZLf.2274$UN1.1116@trndny08...

Rock doesn't need light...algae does.
Is live rock really live ?

I believe it just accommodates, beneficial bacteria, worms, pods, misc
micro fauna and algae.
So I guess if your make your sump a refugium style sump then yes to the
light. 10,000K

right ?

"Harry Ohanian" wrote in message
. ..

If I put L.R. in my sump do I need lighting for it to stay alive?

Hey dude, by this time you should've known better than to argue with me.
It has been proven beyond any imaginable doubt that you are not the most
knowledgeable participant of this forum and you should stick to what you
know, if anything!
Corals have a mutualism with the algae, meaning that it is not obligatory.
The polyps feeds by itself using its tentacles to catch loose edible debris
and plankton from the water. The algae uses the light to produce food FOR
ITSELF DUMMY, some of the leftovers of the coral are used as nutrients by
the algae which in return makes calcium and other macronutrients available
to the coral. I don't know how will you understand that corals are
CARNIVOROUS and don't eat the algae. Yes, the algae's, and any plant for
that matters, production is fixed on its leaves. That is the reason why the
coral CAN'T benefit from the algae's production.
Of course, you benefit from your client's buying those expensive fixtures
making you a parasite. I wonder if your clients know that you make them buy
expensive equipments that serve no purpose.
Well, as far as coral reefs in the Caribbean I just don't think that
Acropora palmata, Porites porites, Porites astreoides, Millepora spp,
Agaricia agaricites and many, many other coastal corals are not light
dependent. I saw the most beautiful Millepora spp and Porites spp
association scuba diving between Puerto Rico and Vieques at 50' about two
miles west of Vieques. The Vieques channel is so strong that the sediments
are waterborne most of the year in that region making visibility less than
50 meters the majority of the time. You should have seen the abundance of
white, camouflage and black sea urchins and even some sea grass beds all
over, together with the coral, some Thallassia was blooming at the time.
Light down there uses no BALLAST OR EXPENSIVE FIXTURES. It is just natural
sunlight, the same one that can be reproduce in your living room with
inexpensive lights. Of course, if you want it to look pretty, the $500
investment is worst it. But please, don't tell anyone that those lights are
needed other than for aesthetic purposes'.
Now, go and sin no more!

jrs

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
Lighting is not over rated for reef tanks.

When corals loose theier symbiotic algae, they are weekend by the loss of
food that this algae was providing them.

The corals you saw living in low light were probably low light corals, not
the type of coras that we keep.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Jaime R-S wrote on 2/25/2006 11:05 AM:
Hi;
You did hit the point. Live rock exists even at 200 foot depths
where light is dim.
Ilumination is one of the most over-rated fixtures of a sal****er
aquarium. A very expensive over-rated fixture.
Live rock doesn't need much light, even if the algae dies the rock
stays alive as long as the animals within are being fed.
Hard coral is another story. These types of anthozoans have an algae
incorporated within as a simbiont. If the algae is not doing its part of
the conditions get unbearable, the polyp will expell the zooxanthella and
will be able to live without it for periods of time. The drawback about
not having the algae in the symbiosis is the loss of colours, the main
reason for having corals in a reef aquarium.
I grew up in the Caribbean, I haven't seen coral reefs like those
anywhere else other than Australia and the IndoPacific, the probable
birth place of coral reefs. The majority of the time the water
visibility is not great and coral reefs manage to survive with little and
poor light at depths of up to 100 feet.

jrs
"TheRock" wrote in message
news:kGZLf.2274$UN1.1116@trndny08...

Rock doesn't need light...algae does.
Is live rock really live ?

I believe it just accommodates, beneficial bacteria, worms, pods, misc
micro fauna and algae.
So I guess if your make your sump a refugium style sump then yes to the
light. 10,000K

right ?

"Harry Ohanian" wrote in message
om...

If I put L.R. in my sump do I need lighting for it to stay alive?

Jaime R-S wrote on 2/25/2006 6:09 PM:
Hey dude, by this time you should've known better than to argue with me.

LOL you crack me up.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets