malachite green ich

I am out of "ich" med and was reading how to treat ich with salt and high
temp, however in all the pages I read I noticed malachite green treats ich,
and fungus, I have fungus med with the ingredient being MG, but my bottle
has the dose for fungus on it being that is what its for, no dosing info for
ich treatment, the fungus direction said dose twice 48 hours apart which
would. not work for ich, any idea what the right dose would be for ich in a
40 gl tank, or even per gallon and I can figure it out, maybe someone has
ich med at home with MG as the main ingredient. being its a holiday stores
are closed and I noticed the ich yesterday but was on the way out the door
for the funeral, so figured I would deal with it today, so I don't want to
wait till I am able to get to the fishs store, need be I guess I could go to
the super market and they may have it, but if the malachite green will work
it would be a little easier.
so if anyone is around today and knows please let me know.
thanks an happy easter
..Nik
how high of a temp can female bettas deal with, i have it on 81 now but i
think as far as heat killing ich it has to be at least 85-89 right? I have
an extra air hose going

my Ich med doses at 15 drops (1mL) per gallon (4L). The brand?
Alive-O... HA!

Mine says it's a bacterial and fungal treatment. I don't think it
would hurt to use your fungal treatment for Ich. If you are worried,
then just use half the recommended dose on your fungal stuff. I
usually use half as much as they recommend anyway!

Nikki wrote,
however in all the pages I read I noticed malachite green treats ich,
and fungus.....

Typical anti-parasite medication such as Rid-Ich or QuickCure contains
malachite green for fungus, to stop secondary infections within the
holes through the skin, caused by the parasite. They also contain
formaldehyde, which kills the parasites.

how high of a temp can female bettas deal with, i have it on 81 now but i
think as far as heat killing ich it has to be at least 85-89 right?

The ich parasite can not tolerate temps. above 85º. Raise the temp to
86º for a week. The parasite can not tolerate salt eather. Salt can be
used as a medication without raising the temp. Treatment - two
teaspoons salt per gal. - treat 13 days............ Frank

Nikki wrote:
I am out of "ich" med and was reading how to treat ich with salt and high
temp, however in all the pages I read I noticed malachite green treats ich,
and fungus, I have fungus med with the ingredient being MG, but my bottle
has the dose for fungus on it being that is what its for, no dosing info for
ich treatment, the fungus direction said dose twice 48 hours apart which
would. not work for ich, any idea what the right dose would be for ich in a
40 gl tank, or even per gallon and I can figure it out, maybe someone has
ich med at home with MG as the main ingredient. being its a holiday stores
are closed and I noticed the ich yesterday but was on the way out the door
for the funeral, so figured I would deal with it today, so I don't want to
wait till I am able to get to the fishs store, need be I guess I could go to
the super market and they may have it, but if the malachite green will work
it would be a little easier.
so if anyone is around today and knows please let me know.
thanks an happy easter
.Nik
how high of a temp can female bettas deal with, i have it on 81 now but i
think as far as heat killing ich it has to be at least 85-89 right? I have
an extra air hose going

I hope the funeral went OK.

Ich meds are usually a mixture of formalin and malachite green.
Straight MG or formalin can both work - just not as fast. If it's all
you have, try it. You can always change some water and go to a normal
formalin/malachite green medicine later. Follow the dose on the bottle
because the manufacturer has designed it to be a safe dose. Overdosing
on MG is very bad for tetras, scaleless catfish, and loaches.

As for temps, I've had bettas up to 84F (along with the rest of my house
and all my other fish) with no ill effects. You need at least 85F for
temperature alone to kill ich. Some temperature tolerant strains have
been reported, so watch carefully if you try high temps with no meds.

If I were you, I'd start feeding the fish twice a day with a good,
high-protein food. I would raise tank temps to 82F to speed the
parasite life cycle and dose the malachite green exactly according to
the fungus bottle. In a couple of days, when I was over the stress of
the funeral, I would see if the fish looked better and maybe go to the
fish store for some Quick Cure or raise the temperature higher.

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Another product with Malachite Green as one its main ingredients that I
have used very effectively in my Aquarium maintenance business for ich
and fungus are Medicated Wonder Shells. This product releases the
medication more evenly and helps with ph control and carbonate levels.
I would use the medium size for a 40 gal. aquarium.
http://americanaquariumproducts.com/...nderShell.html

Carl

"Altum" wrote in message
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Nikki wrote:
I am out of "ich" med and was reading how to treat ich with salt and high
temp, however in all the pages I read I noticed malachite green treats
ich, and fungus, I have fungus med with the ingredient being MG, but my
bottle has the dose for fungus on it being that is what its for, no
dosing info for ich treatment, the fungus direction said dose twice 48
hours apart which would. not work for ich, any idea what the right dose
would be for ich in a 40 gl tank, or even per gallon and I can figure it
out, maybe someone has ich med at home with MG as the main ingredient.
being its a holiday stores are closed and I noticed the ich yesterday but
was on the way out the door for the funeral, so figured I would deal with
it today, so I don't want to wait till I am able to get to the fishs
store, need be I guess I could go to the super market and they may have
it, but if the malachite green will work it would be a little easier.
so if anyone is around today and knows please let me know.
thanks an happy easter
.Nik
how high of a temp can female bettas deal with, i have it on 81 now but i
think as far as heat killing ich it has to be at least 85-89 right? I
have an extra air hose going

I hope the funeral went OK.

Ich meds are usually a mixture of formalin and malachite green. Straight
MG or formalin can both work - just not as fast. If it's all you have,
try it. You can always change some water and go to a normal
formalin/malachite green medicine later. Follow the dose on the bottle
because the manufacturer has designed it to be a safe dose. Overdosing on
MG is very bad for tetras, scaleless catfish, and loaches.

As for temps, I've had bettas up to 84F (along with the rest of my house
and all my other fish) with no ill effects. You need at least 85F for
temperature alone to kill ich. Some temperature tolerant strains have
been reported, so watch carefully if you try high temps with no meds.

If I were you, I'd start feeding the fish twice a day with a good,
high-protein food. I would raise tank temps to 82F to speed the parasite
life cycle and dose the malachite green exactly according to the fungus
bottle. In a couple of days, when I was over the stress of the funeral, I
would see if the fish looked better and maybe go to the fish store for
some Quick Cure or raise the temperature higher.

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I did salt the tank, well I use some salt any way but I put close to 2 tsp
per gl in the tank, and I am raising the temps slowly, I ran out of ich med
before ...and forgot to grab more. I did not know if female bettas could
handle 86 degree's, the reason I was asking about the dose is for fungus it
says use it the first day then again in 48 hours and thats all, and I see
where that would work with fungus but with the life cycle of ich that would
not work , I used the dose on the bottle last night, so I don't know if I
should skip a day and do it that way or use it again tonight until I don't
see the ich no more then use every three days which is how I use the ich
meds, I guess I can try to go to the store today, but to be honest this
weekend was just a little to long for me, and I don't want to go any where I
have to deal with people.
The funeral went as well as one could go I guess, there was a line half way
down the street, I seen Sammy his three year old daughter and that was very
sad, I just been trying to make sure my dad, and the rest of the family are
ok, me and my sister are going to go pack up his house so his wife and baby
don't have to go back there in the next couple weeks.
thanks for asking
Nik

Nikki wrote:
"Altum" wrote in message
et...
Nikki wrote:
I am out of "ich" med and was reading how to treat ich with salt and high
temp, however in all the pages I read I noticed malachite green treats
ich, and fungus, I have fungus med with the ingredient being MG, but my
bottle has the dose for fungus on it being that is what its for, no
dosing info for ich treatment, the fungus direction said dose twice 48
hours apart which would. not work for ich, any idea what the right dose
would be for ich in a 40 gl tank, or even per gallon and I can figure it
out, maybe someone has ich med at home with MG as the main ingredient.
being its a holiday stores are closed and I noticed the ich yesterday but
was on the way out the door for the funeral, so figured I would deal with
it today, so I don't want to wait till I am able to get to the fishs
store, need be I guess I could go to the super market and they may have
it, but if the malachite green will work it would be a little easier.
so if anyone is around today and knows please let me know.
thanks an happy easter
.Nik
how high of a temp can female bettas deal with, i have it on 81 now but i
think as far as heat killing ich it has to be at least 85-89 right? I
have an extra air hose going
I hope the funeral went OK.

Ich meds are usually a mixture of formalin and malachite green. Straight
MG or formalin can both work - just not as fast. If it's all you have,
try it. You can always change some water and go to a normal
formalin/malachite green medicine later. Follow the dose on the bottle
because the manufacturer has designed it to be a safe dose. Overdosing on
MG is very bad for tetras, scaleless catfish, and loaches.

As for temps, I've had bettas up to 84F (along with the rest of my house
and all my other fish) with no ill effects. You need at least 85F for
temperature alone to kill ich. Some temperature tolerant strains have
been reported, so watch carefully if you try high temps with no meds.

If I were you, I'd start feeding the fish twice a day with a good,
high-protein food. I would raise tank temps to 82F to speed the parasite
life cycle and dose the malachite green exactly according to the fungus
bottle. In a couple of days, when I was over the stress of the funeral, I
would see if the fish looked better and maybe go to the fish store for
some Quick Cure or raise the temperature higher.

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I did salt the tank, well I use some salt any way but I put close to 2 tsp
per gl in the tank, and I am raising the temps slowly, I ran out of ich med
before ...and forgot to grab more. I did not know if female bettas could
handle 86 degree's, the reason I was asking about the dose is for fungus it
says use it the first day then again in 48 hours and thats all, and I see
where that would work with fungus but with the life cycle of ich that would
not work , I used the dose on the bottle last night, so I don't know if I
should skip a day and do it that way or use it again tonight until I don't
see the ich no more then use every three days which is how I use the ich
meds, I guess I can try to go to the store today, but to be honest this
weekend was just a little to long for me, and I don't want to go any where I
have to deal with people.
The funeral went as well as one could go I guess, there was a line half way
down the street, I seen Sammy his three year old daughter and that was very
sad, I just been trying to make sure my dad, and the rest of the family are
ok, me and my sister are going to go pack up his house so his wife and baby
don't have to go back there in the next couple weeks.
thanks for asking
Nik

Don't put any more malachite green in a salted tank. You can kill fish
that way. The heat and salt is plenty for ich.

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Nikki wrote:
"Altum" wrote in message
et...
Nikki wrote:
I am out of "ich" med and was reading how to treat ich with salt and
high temp, however in all the pages I read I noticed malachite green
treats ich, and fungus, I have fungus med with the ingredient being MG,
but my bottle has the dose for fungus on it being that is what its for,
no dosing info for ich treatment, the fungus direction said dose twice
48 hours apart which would. not work for ich, any idea what the right
dose would be for ich in a 40 gl tank, or even per gallon and I can
figure it out, maybe someone has ich med at home with MG as the main
ingredient. being its a holiday stores are closed and I noticed the ich
yesterday but was on the way out the door for the funeral, so figured I
would deal with it today, so I don't want to wait till I am able to get
to the fishs store, need be I guess I could go to the super market and
they may have it, but if the malachite green will work it would be a
little easier.
so if anyone is around today and knows please let me know.
thanks an happy easter
.Nik
how high of a temp can female bettas deal with, i have it on 81 now but
i think as far as heat killing ich it has to be at least 85-89 right? I
have an extra air hose going
I hope the funeral went OK.

Ich meds are usually a mixture of formalin and malachite green. Straight
MG or formalin can both work - just not as fast. If it's all you have,
try it. You can always change some water and go to a normal
formalin/malachite green medicine later. Follow the dose on the bottle
because the manufacturer has designed it to be a safe dose. Overdosing
on MG is very bad for tetras, scaleless catfish, and loaches.

As for temps, I've had bettas up to 84F (along with the rest of my house
and all my other fish) with no ill effects. You need at least 85F for
temperature alone to kill ich. Some temperature tolerant strains have
been reported, so watch carefully if you try high temps with no meds.

If I were you, I'd start feeding the fish twice a day with a good,
high-protein food. I would raise tank temps to 82F to speed the
parasite life cycle and dose the malachite green exactly according to
the fungus bottle. In a couple of days, when I was over the stress of
the funeral, I would see if the fish looked better and maybe go to the
fish store for some Quick Cure or raise the temperature higher.

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I did salt the tank, well I use some salt any way but I put close to 2
tsp per gl in the tank, and I am raising the temps slowly, I ran out of
ich med before ...and forgot to grab more. I did not know if female
bettas could handle 86 degree's, the reason I was asking about the dose
is for fungus it says use it the first day then again in 48 hours and
thats all, and I see where that would work with fungus but with the life
cycle of ich that would not work , I used the dose on the bottle last
night, so I don't know if I should skip a day and do it that way or use
it again tonight until I don't see the ich no more then use every three
days which is how I use the ich meds, I guess I can try to go to the
store today, but to be honest this weekend was just a little to long for
me, and I don't want to go any where I have to deal with people.
The funeral went as well as one could go I guess, there was a line half
way down the street, I seen Sammy his three year old daughter and that
was very sad, I just been trying to make sure my dad, and the rest of the
family are ok, me and my sister are going to go pack up his house so his
wife and baby don't have to go back there in the next couple weeks.
thanks for asking
Nik

Don't put any more malachite green in a salted tank. You can kill fish
that way. The heat and salt is plenty for ich.

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I have used it plenty of times, I put some salt in all my tanks, and have
used it at that dose (on the bottle) on the male bettas and also in the
guppy tank before, I just watch them close and if there seems to be any
problem then I change some of the water, but even my male who was very sick
at the time handled it just fine, with his fin rot, I was using 1 1/2 tsp of
aquarium salt per gallon and the antifungus, he had no problem with it.
if they look as if they are having any trouble I will do a 20% water change
but so far they look good, swimming and eating. I think if they went from no
salt to salt that might cause a problem but I use 1 tsp per gallon normally.
Nik

Nikki wrote:
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Don't put any more malachite green in a salted tank. You can kill fish
that way. The heat and salt is plenty for ich.

I have used it plenty of times, I put some salt in all my tanks, and have
used it at that dose (on the bottle) on the male bettas and also in the
guppy tank before, I just watch them close and if there seems to be any
problem then I change some of the water, but even my male who was very sick
at the time handled it just fine, with his fin rot, I was using 1 1/2 tsp of
aquarium salt per gallon and the antifungus, he had no problem with it.
if they look as if they are having any trouble I will do a 20% water change
but so far they look good, swimming and eating. I think if they went from no
salt to salt that might cause a problem but I use 1 tsp per gallon normally.
Nik

Wow. Cool. I killed a shoal of cardinals many years ago with a
half-dose of Quick Cure after heat and salt didn't work for a few days.
They're fine with either salt or half doses of Quick Cure alone. I've
not mixed the two since.

No salt - salt isn't much of a problem. You can add 1 tsp/gallon to
just about any fish with no troubles. Salt - no salt is a problem so
you have to change only 25% of the water at a time.

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