Waterfall Feature in front of tall Cedar Shrubs - Suggestions?

Hello

I have tall Cedar Shrubs in our front yard and I would like to put a
water fall in front of them to be viewed from the living room. I am
thinking of placing the waterfall as follows.

===== Shrubs ======================
= ++ Waterfall ++
=
=
=
= (YARD)
=
=
-------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
- LIVING ROOM
-
-
------------------------------------------------------------------

IE: The cedar shrubs would be the backdrop for the waterfall. I would
like it to look as natural as possible, so this would include creating
a hill in the corner of the yard by the shrubs and planting other
plants around the waterfall. However, I am lost for ideas and not sure
it this could ever look good. Has anyone done anything like this and
have examples (pictures) they are willing to share?

Thanks,

RM

*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.

"Merriora" wrote in message
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Hello

I have tall Cedar Shrubs in our front yard and I would like to put a
water fall in front of them to be viewed from the living room. I am
thinking of placing the waterfall as follows.
======================
Would a hill for the waterfall look "out of place" in front of these trees?
The most natural looking waterfalls are built into slopes or hillsides above
the pond.
--
KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

Koi-Lo wrote:
*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.

"Merriora" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello

I have tall Cedar Shrubs in our front yard and I would like to put a
water fall in front of them to be viewed from the living room. I am
thinking of placing the waterfall as follows.
======================
Would a hill for the waterfall look "out of place" in front of these trees?
The most natural looking waterfalls are built into slopes or hillsides above
the pond.
--
KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58

A hill would be great, but I am working with a small area in that I
don't want the waterfall to take over my entire front yard. So in
reality, the hill will need to be rather steep and shallow if possible.
I would probably want to create the effect within a 5 - 7 ft depth
into a waterless pound (water disapearing into rocks or tiny pond on
the ground). * I am thinking waterless pond as I have a small child
and it will be within the front yard without a fence, so for safety and
legal reasons.)

I've been trying to search for some good examples online of small area
waterfalls, but haven't been able to find many.

Thanks,

RM

*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.

"Merriora" wrote in message
oups.com...

Koi-Lo wrote:
Would a hill for the waterfall look "out of place" in front of these
trees?
The most natural looking waterfalls are built into slopes or hillsides
above
the pond.
--
KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
===============================
A hill would be great, but I am working with a small area in that I
don't want the waterfall to take over my entire front yard. So in
reality, the hill will need to be rather steep and shallow if possible.
I would probably want to create the effect within a 5 - 7 ft depth
into a waterless pound (water disapearing into rocks or tiny pond on
the ground). * I am thinking waterless pond as I have a small child
and it will be within the front yard without a fence, so for safety and
legal reasons.)

I've been trying to search for some good examples online of small area
waterfalls, but haven't been able to find many.

Thanks,

RM
=============================
If you put in a small pre-form you can always fill it with rocks so a child
cannot fall in. Someday when the youngster is grown and you do have a
fence, you can remove the rocks. You will then have a nice little pond for
a few plants and goldfish.
--
KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Reading Headers:
http://tinyurl.com/amm9s
*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

Yep and yetb a nother moeny pit to t throw yur $$$ into. Green algae
water, and sick fish and all the other asocated crap.......desgined to
suck yet more money from yu in an attempt to have a "little" pond that
is much harder to mnantain and keep than a larger one is..If your
gonna fool with a pond of any kind make it a decent sized pond or pay
hecll keeping it within the parameters needed for being decint without
spending tons of time and lots of money and headaches.A preform at any
cost is not worth the hassles and time involved.......for keeping GF
or koi or other ornamentals. Listening to CArol Gulley aka koi lo will
get your ass n a lot of trouble with how things are done......she is a
dumbass without a clue.

.....On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:28:47 -0500, "Koi-Lo" ¤?¤@ö½.Õ..Õ¢ wrote:

*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.

"Merriora" wrote in message
roups.com...

Koi-Lo wrote:
Would a hill for the waterfall look "out of place" in front of these
trees?
The most natural looking waterfalls are built into slopes or hillsides
above
the pond.
--
KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
===============================
A hill would be great, but I am working with a small area in that I
don't want the waterfall to take over my entire front yard. So in
reality, the hill will need to be rather steep and shallow if possible.
I would probably want to create the effect within a 5 - 7 ft depth
into a waterless pound (water disapearing into rocks or tiny pond on
the ground). * I am thinking waterless pond as I have a small child
and it will be within the front yard without a fence, so for safety and
legal reasons.)

I've been trying to search for some good examples online of small area
waterfalls, but haven't been able to find many.

Thanks,

RM
=============================
If you put in a small pre-form you can always fill it with rocks so a child
cannot fall in. Someday when the youngster is grown and you do have a
fence, you can remove the rocks. You will then have a nice little pond for
a few plants and goldfish.

You can reach -Ed Alston at

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Your idea of a hill is a mound of empty Budweiser cans Carol.......

On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:15:07 -0500, "Koi-Lo" ¤?¤@ö½.Õ..Õ¢ wrote:

*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.

"Merriora" wrote in message
roups.com...
Hello

I have tall Cedar Shrubs in our front yard and I would like to put a
water fall in front of them to be viewed from the living room. I am
thinking of placing the waterfall as follows.
======================
Would a hill for the waterfall look "out of place" in front of these trees?
The most natural looking waterfalls are built into slopes or hillsides above
the pond.


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On 1 Jul 2006 22:44:15 -0700, "Merriora" wrote:

I have tall Cedar Shrubs in our front yard and I would like to put a
water fall in front of them to be viewed from the living room. I am
thinking of placing the waterfall as follows.

===== Shrubs ======================
= ++ Waterfall ++
=
=
=
= (YARD)
=
=
-------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
- LIVING ROOM
-
-
------------------------------------------------------------------

IE: The cedar shrubs would be the backdrop for the waterfall. I would
like it to look as natural as possible, so this would include creating
a hill in the corner of the yard by the shrubs and planting other
plants around the waterfall. However, I am lost for ideas and not sure
it this could ever look good. Has anyone done anything like this and
have examples (pictures) they are willing to share?
RM

Hi RM,

I think you may have to do some googling or check out www.koiphen.com where
lots of people posts pictures. Done right, anything is possible, imo. ~ jan
-----------------

Also ponding troll free at:
http://groups.google.com/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium

Yep, go sign up in Koiphen and look around.



On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 09:23:52 -0700, ~ janj
wrote:

On 1 Jul 2006 22:44:15 -0700, "Merriora" wrote:

I have tall Cedar Shrubs in our front yard and I would like to put a
water fall in front of them to be viewed from the living room. I am
thinking of placing the waterfall as follows.

===== Shrubs ======================
= ++ Waterfall ++
=
=
=
= (YARD)
=
=
-------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
- LIVING ROOM
-
-
------------------------------------------------------------------

IE: The cedar shrubs would be the backdrop for the waterfall. I would
like it to look as natural as possible, so this would include creating
a hill in the corner of the yard by the shrubs and planting other
plants around the waterfall. However, I am lost for ideas and not sure
it this could ever look good. Has anyone done anything like this and
have examples (pictures) they are willing to share?
RM

Hi RM,

I think you may have to do some googling or check out www.koiphen.com where
lots of people posts pictures. Done right, anything is possible, imo. ~ jan
-----------------

Also ponding troll free at:
http://groups.google.com/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium


--
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On 1 Jul 2006 22:44:15 -0700, "Merriora" wrote:

IE: The cedar shrubs would be the backdrop for the waterfall. I would
like it to look as natural as possible, so this would include creating
a hill in the corner of the yard by the shrubs and planting other
plants around the waterfall. However, I am lost for ideas and not sure
it this could ever look good. Has anyone done anything like this and
have examples (pictures) they are willing to share?

I started with a pond. To build just a waterfall feature and catch
basin that is safe for small children would take a bit of planning for
me. The height of the waterfall, the volume of water and the volume
of the catch basin are all factors to consider carefully. Pump head
is the term used by manufacturers to tell you how high the pump will
pump water above the surface of the catch basin, and the volume may be
reduced drastically at heights depending on the pump. The volume of
water flowing over your falls is a bit tricky too. The width and
height both play a part in the appearance of the falls as well as
steps in the falls, if you have splash steps on the way down. In
short the bigger and better the falls the more water you need in the
catch basin. Evaporation of about an inch in three days occurs on my
pond during this time (Summer, Zone 8.) of the year. YMMV, but you
will have evaporation and the catch basin will need to be replenished,
the smaller the more often you will need to add water. Water will
grow algae of some type and if you don't intend to have fish, you will
still have critters find your catch basin and make themselves at home.

It sounds like an interesting project and I hope you success on the
first try.

Regards,

Hal

Thanks for the information and suggestions. I've been checking out
Koiphen.com and have seen some great pictures of waterfalls to start to
get some ideas from. I am sure I will be asking more questions in
the future once I get the project started.

RM


Hal wrote:
On 1 Jul 2006 22:44:15 -0700, "Merriora" wrote:

IE: The cedar shrubs would be the backdrop for the waterfall. I would
like it to look as natural as possible, so this would include creating
a hill in the corner of the yard by the shrubs and planting other
plants around the waterfall. However, I am lost for ideas and not sure
it this could ever look good. Has anyone done anything like this and
have examples (pictures) they are willing to share?

I started with a pond. To build just a waterfall feature and catch
basin that is safe for small children would take a bit of planning for
me. The height of the waterfall, the volume of water and the volume
of the catch basin are all factors to consider carefully. Pump head
is the term used by manufacturers to tell you how high the pump will
pump water above the surface of the catch basin, and the volume may be
reduced drastically at heights depending on the pump. The volume of
water flowing over your falls is a bit tricky too. The width and
height both play a part in the appearance of the falls as well as
steps in the falls, if you have splash steps on the way down. In
short the bigger and better the falls the more water you need in the
catch basin. Evaporation of about an inch in three days occurs on my
pond during this time (Summer, Zone 8.) of the year. YMMV, but you
will have evaporation and the catch basin will need to be replenished,
the smaller the more often you will need to add water. Water will
grow algae of some type and if you don't intend to have fish, you will
still have critters find your catch basin and make themselves at home.

It sounds like an interesting project and I hope you success on the
first try.

Regards,

Hal