Dupla ph control HELP!

Hello,

I bought a second hand "Dupla ph Control" (old type),
ofcourse without a manual.

I think I figured out how this works,
but when I try calibrating with PH4 I cannot
get the PH control below PH5.
I must be doing something wrong!

Can anyone help me get a manual for this control,
or does anyone know what i'm doing wrong?

Regards Tamara

"Arjan Bakker" wrote in message ...
I think I figured out how this works,
but when I try calibrating with PH4 I cannot
get the PH control below PH5.
I must be doing something wrong!

Maybe your sensor/probe needs replacing ?
Or the buffer is old and not exactly at 4.

"Arjan Bakker" wrote in message ...
but when I try calibrating with PH4 I cannot
get the PH control below PH5.

Why would you calibrate pH meter with 4 for a reef?
You calibrate with buffers the way measurement is
BETWEEN them. For reef tank pH 8.2 you use buffers
7 and 9 or 7 and 10. Buffer 4 is for freshwater tanks
where you keep the water at below ph 7 for some fish...

I don't think it matters,
in my opinion you calibrate the slope mv/ph.
If the ph value is below 7 the mv/ph is negative,
above 7 is positive. But the slope stays the same.
At least this is what I remember from chemistry-lessons.
(a long long time ago!!!)


"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"Arjan Bakker" wrote in message
...
but when I try calibrating with PH4 I cannot
get the PH control below PH5.

Why would you calibrate pH meter with 4 for a reef?
You calibrate with buffers the way measurement is
BETWEEN them. For reef tank pH 8.2 you use buffers
7 and 9 or 7 and 10. Buffer 4 is for freshwater tanks
where you keep the water at below ph 7 for some fish...

"Arjan Bakker" wrote in message ...
I don't think it matters,
in my opinion you calibrate the slope mv/ph.
If the ph value is below 7 the mv/ph is negative,
above 7 is positive. But the slope stays the same.
At least this is what I remember from chemistry-lessons.
(a long long time ago!!!)

In an ideal world - maybe... :-)

But real probe does not have linear characteristic
so it is a curve. If you want acurate measurements
you are interested in calibrating the meter as close
to the measured value as possible...

ok you have a point there.
Tomorrow I will get some fluid with PH 9 or 10.
But it is still strange that I cannot calibrate a new probe,
to ph4 !!

I tried with an old probe, and I cannot get this one lower than 4.5,
I then put some lemonjuice in water, tried the old probe and... 3.5.
I guess there is something wrong with the calibration fluid provided with
the probe!
I'll try again tomorrow.


"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"Arjan Bakker" wrote in message
...
I don't think it matters,
in my opinion you calibrate the slope mv/ph.
If the ph value is below 7 the mv/ph is negative,
above 7 is positive. But the slope stays the same.
At least this is what I remember from chemistry-lessons.
(a long long time ago!!!)

In an ideal world - maybe... :-)

But real probe does not have linear characteristic
so it is a curve. If you want acurate measurements
you are interested in calibrating the meter as close
to the measured value as possible...

"Arjan Bakker" wrote in message ...
I tried with an old probe, and I cannot get this one lower than 4.5,
I then put some lemonjuice in water, tried the old probe and... 3.5.
I guess there is something wrong with the calibration fluid provided
with the probe!
I'll try again tomorrow.

Looks like the pH 4 buffer is wrong.

You have a bad probe. If you calibrated it to a 7 pH solution first and then sloped it to
a 4 solution and it would not go to 4 something is wrong with the probe. I doubt it is
the 4 solution. I take it this meter has two screws, calibrate and slope IIRC ?


I looked for a manual for but no luck.

Something for you to read, so you know where you are at.

Measuring pH with a Meter
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/feb2004/chem.htm

A Comparison of pH Calibration Buffers
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-02/rhf/index.htm


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"Arjan Bakker" wrote in message
...
:
: ok you have a point there.
: Tomorrow I will get some fluid with PH 9 or 10.
: But it is still strange that I cannot calibrate a new probe,
: to ph4 !!
:
: I tried with an old probe, and I cannot get this one lower than 4.5,
: I then put some lemonjuice in water, tried the old probe and... 3.5.
: I guess there is something wrong with the calibration fluid provided with
: the probe!
: I'll try again tomorrow.
:
:
: "Pszemol" wrote in message
: ...
: "Arjan Bakker" wrote in message
: ...
: I don't think it matters,
: in my opinion you calibrate the slope mv/ph.
: If the ph value is below 7 the mv/ph is negative,
: above 7 is positive. But the slope stays the same.
: At least this is what I remember from chemistry-lessons.
: (a long long time ago!!!)
:
: In an ideal world - maybe... :-)
:
: But real probe does not have linear characteristic
: so it is a curve. If you want acurate measurements
: you are interested in calibrating the meter as close
: to the measured value as possible...
:
: