So how do I kill off a heron thats eating my koi

Would a shotgun or a 22 be better? It has cleane dme out of my 4 to 6
inch goldies already, and is starting on my koi..........how about a
fish baited with a treble hook?

You can't.
It is illegal to kill or harm herons.
You can try netting, motion activated sprinklers,
electric shock pet fencing.
good luck!

I am not going though the mess of netting a heron and disrupting my
view of my fish and inconvienince to my pond. I simply asked whats
best shotgun or 22 rifle. I will pick up the best choice at Wal Mart
this week and take care of these predators once and for all.
Laws are meant to be broken. I live in the country anyhow so no one is
g9onna see what I do.

On 5 Dec 2006 13:19:17 -0800, "kathy" wrote:


You can't.
It is illegal to kill or harm herons.
You can try netting, motion activated sprinklers,
electric shock pet fencing.
good luck!

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:23:21 -0600, Tristan
wrote:

I am not going though the mess of netting a heron and disrupting my
view of my fish and inconvienince to my pond. I simply asked whats
best shotgun or 22 rifle. I will pick up the best choice at Wal Mart
this week and take care of these predators once and for all.
Laws are meant to be broken. I live in the country anyhow so no one is
g9onna see what I do.

A firearm is such a poor choice, especially for you. The mere fact that
you have to ask which is better shows you don't know much about either.
Guns have a bad enough rep as it is, you don't have to contribute.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Illiterate? Write for FREE help

NOw you let me be the judge on that since its my fish, my gun and my
money involved. Typical for a rec.ponder is to get off on a totally
different tangent than originally asked, and evade the question that
was posted.

Now just to set the record straight, doyou really think this post
would have ever gotten into a moderated group? I doubt it would as
there is too many one sided views, even though its still a legitimate
question at hand. It just does not fit everyones way of looking at
it, nnow doe sit? You all failed the test. plain and simple and its
just a sign of whats to come when and if this ever gets to a miderated
forum. Its gonna be as one sided as it can possibly be. All questions
a re viable questions and its not for mods to determine if it is or
not. Who is to say its not legal to shot a heron where I live? Yet ya
all are so quick to voive an opinion.

So Galen you too fail for mod status but I am sure you will fit in
with the rest of these pompous righteous *******s that just chomp at
the bit to be moderators.

And I do not have any heron problems either......at least none that I
need to come to such a lame assed bunch of weak minded clowns to get
ideas from. And you better hceck as it is perfectly legal to shoot
herons as it depends on if you have a permit and what reason it was
issued for. So you never know, I may just be legal to shoot the
freaking things......permits are not as hard to get as one may think
they are.


On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:52:01 -0500, Galen Hekhuis
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:23:21 -0600, Tristan
wrote:

I am not going though the mess of netting a heron and disrupting my
view of my fish and inconvienince to my pond. I simply asked whats
best shotgun or 22 rifle. I will pick up the best choice at Wal Mart
this week and take care of these predators once and for all.
Laws are meant to be broken. I live in the country anyhow so no one is
g9onna see what I do.

A firearm is such a poor choice, especially for you. The mere fact that
you have to ask which is better shows you don't know much about either.
Guns have a bad enough rep as it is, you don't have to contribute.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Illiterate? Write for FREE help

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:10:49 -0600, Tristan
wrote:



NOw you let me be the judge on that since its my fish, my gun and my
money involved. Typical for a rec.ponder is to get off on a totally
different tangent than originally asked, and evade the question that
was posted.

Now just to set the record straight, doyou really think this post
would have ever gotten into a moderated group? I doubt it would as
there is too many one sided views, even though its still a legitimate
question at hand. It just does not fit everyones way of looking at
it, nnow doe sit? You all failed the test. plain and simple and its
just a sign of whats to come when and if this ever gets to a miderated
forum. Its gonna be as one sided as it can possibly be. All questions
a re viable questions and its not for mods to determine if it is or
not. Who is to say its not legal to shot a heron where I live? Yet ya
all are so quick to voive an opinion.

To set the record straight, as you put it, your original post, Kathy's
follow up, your follow up to that follow up, my follow up... you get the
picture, they all would be "allowed" if I were the moderator.

So Galen you too fail for mod status but I am sure you will fit in
with the rest of these pompous righteous *******s that just chomp at
the bit to be moderators.

And I do not have any heron problems either......at least none that I
need to come to such a lame assed bunch of weak minded clowns to get
ideas from. And you better hceck as it is perfectly legal to shoot
herons as it depends on if you have a permit and what reason it was
issued for. So you never know, I may just be legal to shoot the
freaking things......permits are not as hard to get as one may think
they are.

Here in Florida you'll get very old waiting for some kind of permit to kill
heron, and I'm pretty sure that's the case just about everywhere. I
seriously doubt you'd have any luck in declaring them a "nuisance," no
matter how many fish you lose. I own several guns, and have licenses to
kill just about everything you can here in Florida. I live out in the
country too, on enough acreage that I can pretty much do what I want, so I
know where you're coming from that way. But I didn't address the
legalities of it then, and even legalities aside I think it is a really
poor idea. Let's look at why. First of all, you're going to have to be a
pretty good shot to use a .22. Not an expert by any means, but still
pretty good. But you don't know that, so obviously, you must not be a very
good shot, so a shotgun is the thing for you. But starting one off
shooting with a shotgun isn't the best idea, and it isn't the ideal gun for
a "first gun," so... I think even you can see the problems in giving any
kind of advice, plus you don't even hint at range or stuff, so even a guess
at a choke is pretty much just a guess. The best advice I could come up
with is that you not use any type of firearm, they aren't toys, even if you
can buy them at Wal Mart.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Illiterate? Write for FREE help

Tristan wrote:
Would a shotgun or a 22 be better? It has cleane dme out of my 4 to 6
inch goldies already, and is starting on my koi..........how about a
fish baited with a treble hook?

The only point that I see of this post is to try and see what may or
might not get past any moderators on a moderated rec.ponds...not a
legitimate question but a bit of a game.....

I believe you have your answer...although I haven't done this in the
right order but I'm tired....the question is valid and on-topic.....so
why wouldn't it get posted even though the sentiments expressed are
designed to be imflammatory ......if it went further down the line then
maybe it would get banned....but I'm sure that you are not even slightly
serious in the solutions you are proposing....you are playing a game to
see what would happen....and that is fine.....you got answers on the
unmoderated group....most valid as well....I'm sorry, but I don't see
how moderation should impact this post....apart from thinking (sorry)
that the post was deliberately made to inflame people.....which afterall
is your intention albeit just to test how the moderators would react...

Gill

PS I have no idea whatsoever how this would get through any moderation
process but once the RFD gets published, and we do need to wait for this
rather than speculate, we can then argue about the moderation
policy...rather than trying to preempt this....

On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:33:07 +0000, Gill Passman wrote:

[...]
The only point that I see of this post is to try and see what may or
might not get past any moderators on a moderated rec.ponds...not a
legitimate question but a bit of a game.....

And that will be a valid line of questioning, although premature at this
point.

I believe you have your answer...although I haven't done this in the
right order but I'm tired....the question is valid and on-topic.....so
why wouldn't it get posted even though the sentiments expressed are
designed to be imflammatory ......if it went further down the line then
maybe it would get banned....but I'm sure that you are not even slightly
serious in the solutions you are proposing....you are playing a game to
see what would happen....and that is fine.....you got answers on the
unmoderated group....most valid as well....I'm sorry, but I don't see
how moderation should impact this post....apart from thinking (sorry)
that the post was deliberately made to inflame people.....which afterall
is your intention albeit just to test how the moderators would react...

Gill

PS I have no idea whatsoever how this would get through any moderation
process but once the RFD gets published, and we do need to wait for this
rather than speculate, we can then argue about the moderation
policy...rather than trying to preempt this....

Exactly. Once the RFD is published, people will know exactly what
moderation policies and moderators are being proposed. At that time, I
recommend posing hypothetical questions to these moderators about how they
would deal with certain posts. You can either make posts up or find actual
posts. Not only does this help you understand how the proposed moderators
think, it gives them practice in making moderation decisions. The sort of
thing that "Tristan" has been posting will be quite useful for this
process. Thank you, Tristan. And thanks to you, Gill, for drawing
attention to this.

--
Jayne

Jayne Kulikauskas wrote:
On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:33:07 +0000, Gill Passman wrote:


Exactly. Once the RFD is published, people will know exactly what
moderation policies and moderators are being proposed. At that time, I
recommend posing hypothetical questions to these moderators about how they
would deal with certain posts. You can either make posts up or find actual
posts. Not only does this help you understand how the proposed moderators
think, it gives them practice in making moderation decisions. The sort of
thing that "Tristan" has been posting will be quite useful for this
process. Thank you, Tristan. And thanks to you, Gill, for drawing
attention to this.


This IMO is an excellent idea.....