behavioral question...

We have a juvinille malawi cichlid born in our tank (species unknown)
exhibiting some strange behavior. S/he stopped eating several days
ago, has what appears to be a swollen jaw, and is now beginning to
look emaciated. Otherwise, its behavior appears normal. I realize it
may be difficult to offer advice without knowing the species, but has
anyone seen similar behavior? Any advice?

Thanks,
K

U¿ytkownik wrote:
We have a juvinille malawi cichlid born in our tank (species unknown)
exhibiting some strange behavior.

How long (cm) is the fish? How old?

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milc

On Feb 23, 12:03 am, "Wojciech Milc / The Power Of Dreams"
wrote:
U¿ytkownik wrote:
We have a juvinille malawi cichlid born in our tank (species unknown)
exhibiting some strange behavior.

How long (cm) is the fish? How old?

-- !
milc


S/He is between 6-7 cm and is about 9 months old. The age is an
approximation, for we were not even aware that there had been any
reproduction going on in our tank until we saw "Pee-Wee" as a
juvinille of ~ 1-2 cm. What do you think?

thanks!
k

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On Feb 23, 12:03 am, "Wojciech Milc / The Power Of Dreams"
wrote:
U¿ytkownik wrote:
We have a juvinille malawi cichlid born in our tank (species unknown)
exhibiting some strange behavior.

How long (cm) is the fish? How old?

-- !
milc


S/He is between 6-7 cm and is about 9 months old. The age is an
approximation, for we were not even aware that there had been any
reproduction going on in our tank until we saw "Pee-Wee" as a
juvinille of ~ 1-2 cm. What do you think?

thanks!
k

Your fish has a mouthful of eggs
I normally wait 2 weeks and 'strip' them
research 'fry saver' and 'milking' malawi cichlids
now if you don't have 2 of the same species the babys will be hybrids
not as bad as you may read, just gotta warn anyone ya pass fry onto
If she is getting skinny I would definitely strip her and raise the fry
seperate (floating frysaver)
that way she can start eating again
One of your fish should be extra pretty and dominant
Malawi cichlids go on a bit of a power trip when they finally get lucky!

Swarvegorilla

U¿ytkownik wrote:
On Feb 23, 12:03 am, "Wojciech Milc / The Power Of Dreams"
wrote:
U¿ytkownik wrote:
We have a juvinille malawi cichlid born in our tank (species
unknown)
exhibiting some strange behavior.

How long (cm) is the fish? How old?

S/He is between 6-7 cm and is about 9 months old. The age is an
approximation, for we were not even aware that there had been any
reproduction going on in our tank until we saw "Pee-Wee" as a
juvinille of ~ 1-2 cm. What do you think?

That's just a reason of my question about size/age :-)

You should celebrate - you have a mommy with a mouthfull of
eggs. If she is not expirienced mother, she may have some
problems with feeding during those ~2 weeks, until she
lets the fry go. But she will make it, do not worry. The
next breeds will be more noumerous and she will learn
how to eat without problems.

If this is a single fish of the given species in your tank,
you should not keep the fry - they will be "*******s", and
it is a bad habit to raise *******s. Just leave her in the
tank, and when finally she will let the fry out, the other
fish shall take care of the fry (I mean it will be consumed :-)

As to "stripping" of female and artifical raising of fry, those
methods are also very bad and should not be encouraged. Stripping
and using fry savers makes fish population weaker - because
then even the weakest specimens make it, which is unwanted.

You also should not let the ******* fry go to other people.

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milc - 500L Malawi Mbuna Tank

"Wojciech Milc / The Power Of Dreams" wrote in
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U¿ytkownik wrote:
On Feb 23, 12:03 am, "Wojciech Milc / The Power Of Dreams"
wrote:
U¿ytkownik wrote:
We have a juvinille malawi cichlid born in our tank (species
unknown)
exhibiting some strange behavior.

How long (cm) is the fish? How old?

S/He is between 6-7 cm and is about 9 months old. The age is an
approximation, for we were not even aware that there had been any
reproduction going on in our tank until we saw "Pee-Wee" as a
juvinille of ~ 1-2 cm. What do you think?

That's just a reason of my question about size/age :-)

You should celebrate - you have a mommy with a mouthfull of
eggs. If she is not expirienced mother, she may have some
problems with feeding during those ~2 weeks, until she
lets the fry go. But she will make it, do not worry. The
next breeds will be more noumerous and she will learn
how to eat without problems.

If this is a single fish of the given species in your tank,
you should not keep the fry - they will be "*******s", and
it is a bad habit to raise *******s. Just leave her in the
tank, and when finally she will let the fry out, the other
fish shall take care of the fry (I mean it will be consumed :-)

As to "stripping" of female and artifical raising of fry, those
methods are also very bad and should not be encouraged. Stripping
and using fry savers makes fish population weaker - because
then even the weakest specimens make it, which is unwanted.

You also should not let the ******* fry go to other people.

-- !
milc - 500L Malawi Mbuna Tank


I disagree totally
1) most mums never learn to eat enough to not lose condition, at most they
get little bits and pieces. Usually they get none. The exception is if she
is a tank all by herself
2) screw other people and there problems with hybrids. They make a good
first batch of fish to 'learn the ropes' with as they are quite a bit more
tough.
3) using fry savers as opposed to keeping the one or 2 that manage to
survive hiding under rocks etc in the main tank does not weaken the
population. That is absurd. All it means is a couple of larger males will
survive. Have bred thousands of these bloody things, around 100 different
african cichlid species and currently have a shed full of fry. Without
stripping and using fry savers there is just no way someone with only one
fish tank can breed enuf fry to make it worth bothering. It also leads to
healthier, larger females who breed more often due to regaining condition
quicker. Is a rare tank that doesn't have a few fry savers floating in it at
my place.
4) As long as the people are made aware they are being given hybrids there
is no problem. I have gotten a few of my friends into the fish scene with
batches of colour enhanced hybrid africans that would otherwise have been
merely feeder fish. Maybe this bizare irrational defence of bloodlines
mattered one day, but for most places those days are gone. The big breeders
will always have pure blood lines. They don't buy off n00b hobbyists mate!
To denie someone the chance to raise up some fry just because of your own
issues is just.... stupid. No one is restocking the lakes from even the
best hobbyists lake! I have 5 species of lake vic atm, all endangered or
worse in their home lake. They breed so often I give away their fry to
anyone who will take them and still have enuf to throw the octopus when I
run outta anything else. Once they hit the hobby, they are just fish and
fish are fish of course of course to most people. People need to relax and
have fun. Yes being sold/given a hybrid and not knowing can suck but it's
hardly the end of the world and it's hardly a reason to cull every time. Try
tell discus breeders to kill all their hybrids and see where that gets ya!
To me line breeding is far more destructive and thats coming from the Panda
Oranda's number one fan!!

I been doing this fish thing for a while now
and it still amazes me how single minded people can be.
Watching fish breed is a magical thing.

Now flame me all ya want
Heard it all before
I mean crap Iv'e bred blood parrots
do your dam worst!
I'll still be here.
:-)

Oh and ya wanna know my best selling African mate?
The rubin red peacock.
heh
never had anyone fazed over that being a hybrid before
EVER!
and it started out as a mongrel in someones tank
ya just never know

Just gotta remember
to have fun
and not make anyone elses life any harder than it has to be
at end of the day it's all that matters
Swarvegorilla

swarvegorilla wrote:

1) most mums never learn to eat enough to not lose condition, at most
they
get little bits and pieces. Usually they get none.

Are we really talking about Malawi Mbuna? They have almost no problem
with feeding while breeding, maybe a little when breeding for the
first time. They may have some problems, though, when the main tank
is too overcrowded (I mean, less than 12-15 liters per adult fish).
But in such conditions you should not expect natural behavior.

The exception is if she is a tank all by herself.

And that's the one method which is preferred by Malawi hobbyists
community
which I belong to. Small separate tanks for breeding females. But
absolutely
no stripping!

2) screw other people and there problems with hybrids. They make a
good
first batch of fish to 'learn the ropes' with as they are quite a bit
more
tough.

You should not go online with such and attitude. "Screw other people".
Huh.
As to fish "to learn the ropes" there are many such fish, which do not
belong to endangered species, so what's the point?

3) using fry savers as opposed to keeping the one or 2 that manage to
survive hiding under rocks etc in the main tank does not weaken the
population. That is absurd. All it means is a couple of larger males
will
survive.

As to only males surviving, this is deifinetely not true. And I am
not talking about using main tank to produce as much fry as
possible - I am talking about natural behavior.

Without stripping and using fry savers there is just no way someone
with only one
fish tank can breed enuf fry to make it worth bothering.

What do you mean by "worth bothering"? If "making enough money" then
we are talking different things now.

It also leads to healthier, larger females who breed more often due
to regaining condition quicker.

That's just another inconsequence. A female which has a chance to
keep the fry as long as is needed will be sure more healthy and
it's fry will be healthier. We are not talking about factory here!

Maybe this bizare irrational defence of bloodlines
mattered one day, but for most places those days are gone.

Sad but true. Especially in States. They also have many more
of very interesting (huh) methods, such as male only overcrowded
tanks, one-bag-for-all-fish universal fish food and such.

To denie someone the chance to raise up some fry just
because of your own issues is just.... stupid.

You just don't have to strip to raise fry. Is small breeding
tank so hard to get and keep?

People need to relax and have fun.

That's just stupid. Do you mean that having fun is impossible
while you keep at least SOME rules? Turn on CNN, every day
we see something stupid, bad or outrageous just because
someone "had fun".

Try tell discus breeders to kill all their hybrids and see
where that gets ya!

Hello? We were talking african cichlids here! Hello?

I been doing this fish thing for a while now
and it still amazes me how single minded people can be.

Doing something for a long time is not equal to doing
it the right way. But I understand some people will not
agree to that. Castro for exapmle :-)

Watching fish breed is a magical thing.

You do not need stripping for that.

Now flame me all ya want
Heard it all before
I mean crap Iv'e bred blood parrots
do your dam worst!
I'll still be here.

Of course I will still try to convince you. This is
what it's all about. You're still not lost :-)

Oh and ya wanna know my best selling African mate?

So this is really about sales, is it?

milc, 500L Malawi Mbuna

Hi..

anyone seen similar behavior? Any advice?

"Looks" respectively sounds like a mouthbreeding _she_ ..!

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cu
Marco
BTW: TFA "The Freshwater Aquarium" exist..