**sick koi** #help#

ok,, it finally hit. I have sick koi.

(seems to be about 5 koi,, goldfish don't seem to be affected)

there is no way I can catch them,,, & the pics I have on my site are the
best I can get(so far) .

looks like whitespot stuff on a few koi & one koi looks like an ulcer #3
pic (??). the whitespot stuff, is just kind of a dull patch on the koi,
like murkywhite( not sure if I am describing it right), doesn't look
'fuzzy'.

ok, pics are on http://community.webshots.com/album/74707665onrGAN

koi #1,2,3

what is BEST way to treat pond,, (3600 gal. have melafix & Potassium
permanganate)

& also, question about pond.. it has a *film* on the top of it , any ideas??
I do not have a skimmer ( don't want one, because of floating plants),, I do
have a water falls running though, & 'big' filter.

I am running a UV filter, & it finally has started to clear, but as you can
see, still murky.

in case you ask.
water test at 3:45 PM

PH : 8.3
ammonia : 0% ( but not perfectly 0, maybe a negligible amount,, I hate these
testers)
Nitrite : .5%

salt .11%
KH hardness 11

I went to koivet,, & am not doing injections (ok, that part won't bother
me,, & daughter works for a vet,, but catching the suckers???)
so I added salt & PP at a rate of 1t. per 600 gal. says to repeat in 4
days...

any other suggestions??

muffin dang.. just when my quarantine tank fish were about to enter the
pond .





"*muffin*" wrote in message
...
ok,, it finally hit. I have sick koi.

1. DO NOT ADD DRY PP TO ANY POND. this is how to kill the fish. make a stock
solution
http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/p....htm#POTASSIUM
2. get the salt down to 0.1% OR get all your plants out of there
3. add the stock solution of PP in the evening, keep aeration going like crazy. if
the water turns clear before 4 hours are up, then you need to add another dose of
PP., dose 3 days in a row.
Jo Ann took a look thinks the mouth problem is columnaris and PP will kill that. The
white patch is probably some kind of parasite, the PP is good to take care of most
things.
4. your water is toxic, you have to use the newspaper suggested to get that slick
off the top and change some water. a UV is fine for getting rid of algae, but if you
arent getting rid of the nitrates with algae or plants, you gotta do something else,
like water changes. you dont say you tested for nitrates.
5. if you dont have air stones going in there, get something to aerate the pond.
the PP will react with everything organic and going to suck out the oxygen. CLEAN
THE FILTER completely every day.
dont add the melafix. who knows what the combination with PP produces.
I agree, if you dont have trees casting pollen all over the place, that crap on the
surface is coming from something rotting in there. you many have to drain to find
it. set up a cheap swimming pool and start removing all the plants sniffing them
deeply to see if there is anything rotting in them. toads and frogs spawning, BTW,
will foul a pond fast, altho that is usually a spring thing. Ingrid


"*muffin*" wrote:
PH : 8.3
ammonia : 0% ( but not perfectly 0, maybe a negligible amount,, I hate these
testers)
Nitrite : .5%
salt .11%
KH hardness 11

so I added salt & PP at a rate of 1t. per 600 gal. says to repeat in 4
days...



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wrote in message
...
1. DO NOT ADD DRY PP TO ANY POND. this is how to kill the fish. make a
stock
solution

up i know that


2. get the salt down to 0.1% OR get all your plants out of there

it has been at .15% for over a month, so far plants are good

3. add the stock solution of PP in the evening, keep aeration going like
crazy. if
the water turns clear before 4 hours are up, then you need to add another
dose of
PP., dose 3 days in a row.

ok, koivet.com said to repeat every 3 days
what happens after 3 days, I am sure i won't clear up by then, when do I
repeat??

Jo Ann took a look thinks the mouth problem is columnaris and PP will kill
that. The
white patch is probably some kind of parasite, the PP is good to take care
of most
things.

*Thanks* sooo much for asking her,, where can i see some pics or info on
columnaris??


4. your water is toxic, you have to use the newspaper suggested to get
that slick
off the top and change some water. a UV is fine for getting rid of algae,
but if you
arent getting rid of the nitrates with algae or plants, you gotta do
something else,
like water changes. you dont say you tested for nitrates.

*i jusT ordered a nitrate test kit,,, what should it read

5. if you dont have air stones going in there, get something to aerate
the pond.


I have a water fall lots of water


the PP will react with everything organic and going to suck out the
oxygen. CLEAN
THE FILTER completely every day.

right now I will run the sand filter & turn off the bio filter/uv combo
ok???


dont add the melafix. who knows what the combination with PP produces.


I agree, if you dont have trees casting pollen all over the place, that
crap on the
surface is coming from something rotting in there.

lots of trees relativel new pond & plants.
stuff on top seems less today


it. set up a cheap swimming pool and start removing all the plants
sniffing them
deeply to see if there is anything rotting in them. toads and frogs
spawning, BTW,
will foul a pond fast, altho that is usually a spring thing. Ingrid

i just saw NEW batch of teeny tadpoles

4. your water is toxic, you have to use the newspaper suggested to get
that slick
off the top and change some water. a UV is fine for getting rid of
algae,
but if you

just looked,, film is 95% gone, now.
but i do seem to see a lot of string algea running down m waterfall/stream
than before...



arent getting rid of the nitrates with algae or plants, you gotta do
something else,
like water changes. you dont say you tested for nitrates.

*i jusT ordered a nitrate test kit,,, what should it read


ok nitrate level is '0'

muffin,

The white spots look like scarred areas that are healing. A couple of my
fish skinned themselves pretty good during spawning and have a similar
appearance. If it is getting worse, then it could be columnaris, and the PP
is a good choice for treatment. The red area on koi #3 looks to be a bruise
or abrasion, not really an ulcer. It isn't nearly inflamed enough to worry
about yet. The PP and salt will minimize the chances of infection.

The film on the water is probably proteins. It is almost like an oil slick
and adds a strange shine to the surface, limiting the visibility into the
water. The PP will help to digest the proteins and you should see a lot of
brown foam at the waterfall if that is the case. It can be removed by
overflowing the pond, which makes one form of skimmer action, but spray the
water toward the overflow area to speed the skimming action.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"*muffin*" wrote in message
...
ok,, it finally hit. I have sick koi.

(seems to be about 5 koi,, goldfish don't seem to be affected)

there is no way I can catch them,,, & the pics I have on my site are the
best I can get(so far) .

looks like whitespot stuff on a few koi & one koi looks like an ulcer #3
pic (??). the whitespot stuff, is just kind of a dull patch on the koi,
like murkywhite( not sure if I am describing it right), doesn't look
'fuzzy'.

ok, pics are on http://community.webshots.com/album/74707665onrGAN

koi #1,2,3

what is BEST way to treat pond,, (3600 gal. have melafix & Potassium
permanganate)

& also, question about pond.. it has a *film* on the top of it , any
ideas??
I do not have a skimmer ( don't want one, because of floating plants),, I
do
have a water falls running though, & 'big' filter.

I am running a UV filter, & it finally has started to clear, but as you
can
see, still murky.

ok,, I does no reall look like raw skin,, so i 'hope' ha is wha i is,, i
looks like someone

arrhhhhhhhhhh
m ke board is gone wack ....
some of m le ers are no working.......
major helppppppppp







ichToyBox" wrote in message
news:hrnQa.49341$GL4.12657@rwcrnsc53...
muffin,

The white spots look like scarred areas that are healing. A couple of my
fish skinned themselves pretty good during spawning and have a similar
appearance. If it is getting worse, then it could be columnaris, and the
PP
is a good choice for treatment. The red area on koi #3 looks to be a
bruise
or abrasion, not really an ulcer. It isn't nearly inflamed enough to
worry
about yet. The PP and salt will minimize the chances of infection.

The film on the water is probably proteins. It is almost like an oil
slick
and adds a strange shine to the surface, limiting the visibility into the
water. The PP will help to digest the proteins and you should see a lot
of
brown foam at the waterfall if that is the case. It can be removed by
overflowing the pond, which makes one form of skimmer action, but spray
the
water toward the overflow area to speed the skimming action.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"*muffin*" wrote in message
...
ok,, it finally hit. I have sick koi.

(seems to be about 5 koi,, goldfish don't seem to be affected)

there is no way I can catch them,,, & the pics I have on my site are the
best I can get(so far) .

looks like whitespot stuff on a few koi & one koi looks like an ulcer
#3
pic (??). the whitespot stuff, is just kind of a dull patch on the
koi,
like murkywhite( not sure if I am describing it right), doesn't look
'fuzzy'.

ok, pics are on http://community.webshots.com/album/74707665onrGAN

koi #1,2,3

what is BEST way to treat pond,, (3600 gal. have melafix & Potassium
permanganate)

& also, question about pond.. it has a *film* on the top of it , any
ideas??
I do not have a skimmer ( don't want one, because of floating plants),,
I
do
have a water falls running though, & 'big' filter.

I am running a UV filter, & it finally has started to clear, but as you
can
see, still murky.

hope spellchecker fixes...

did you see his tail/ It also looks flamed in the picture of number 1

but heads do look like someone dotted their heads with white paint.

hmmm
.. had to cop and paste the letter 't'


"RichToyBox" wrote in message
news:hrnQa.49341$GL4.12657@rwcrnsc53...
muffin,

The white spots look like scarred areas that are healing. A couple of my
fish skinned themselves pretty good during spawning and have a similar
appearance. If it is getting worse, then it could be columnaris, and the
PP
is a good choice for treatment. The red area on koi #3 looks to be a
bruise
or abrasion, not really an ulcer. It isn't nearly inflamed enough to
worry
about yet. The PP and salt will minimize the chances of infection.

The film on the water is probably proteins. It is almost like an oil
slick
and adds a strange shine to the surface, limiting the visibility into the
water. The PP will help to digest the proteins and you should see a lot
of
brown foam at the waterfall if that is the case. It can be removed by
overflowing the pond, which makes one form of skimmer action, but spray
the
water toward the overflow area to speed the skimming action.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"*muffin*" wrote in message
...
ok,, it finally hit. I have sick koi.

(seems to be about 5 koi,, goldfish don't seem to be affected)

there is no way I can catch them,,, & the pics I have on my site are the
best I can get(so far) .

looks like whitespot stuff on a few koi & one koi looks like an ulcer
#3
pic (??). the whitespot stuff, is just kind of a dull patch on the
koi,
like murkywhite( not sure if I am describing it right), doesn't look
'fuzzy'.

ok, pics are on http://community.webshots.com/album/74707665onrGAN

koi #1,2,3

what is BEST way to treat pond,, (3600 gal. have melafix & Potassium
permanganate)

& also, question about pond.. it has a *film* on the top of it , any
ideas??
I do not have a skimmer ( don't want one, because of floating plants),,
I
do
have a water falls running though, & 'big' filter.

I am running a UV filter, & it finally has started to clear, but as you
can
see, still murky.

both toxic water and parasites can cause that kind of reddening AND it looks like it
is split and being eroded. Ingrid

"*muffin*" wrote:
did you see his tail/ It also looks flamed in the picture of number 1



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.