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  #1  
Old January 1st 04, 07:04 PM
ste ©
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Default Cleaning out a small goldfish tank

Hi there,

I've got a small goldfish tank with two goldfish. To clean it, I've been
putting the fish into a bowl of clean water, then cleaning out their tank
and gravel in the bath.

The tank is probably too small to bother with a filter, but is there any
other way to keep the water clean without changing it every week? Are there
any small water creatures I can get that will keep it cleaner for example?
I've also read somewhere about some sort of 'water hoover,' would that be
any good for what I'm talking about?

Thanks for any advice.

Regards,

Stephen


  #2  
Old January 1st 04, 11:14 PM
Mel
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First of all, it is absolutely essential to have a filter when keeping
goldfish. Without one, the water will quickly become toxic and slowly poison
your fish. Are you aware that goldfish also need a minimum of 10 gallons of
water each in order to be happy and healthy?
It really would be best to upgrade to a larger tank, but until then please
think about getting a filter. With goldfish you should be getting the water
turned over between 8-10 times per hour so look for a filter good enough to
do this. Fluval make filters for small tanks, or you can buy sponge filters
which attach to an airpump which would be better than nothing.
Also, 100% water changes aren't good for the fish. In an adequately stocked
tank a 30% water change per week is usually sufficient but that's when
keeping 1 fish in 10 gallons or more. If your tank is really small then I'd
suggest a 30% water change every day using dechlorinated and temperature
matched water. You can buy gravel vacuums which suck any debris for the
gravel at the same time as removing the water and it would be wise to get
one.You can also buy little sponges on sticks which clean the algae from the
glass as well. You can do all this without removing the fish from the tank
so it will be less stressful for them.
I wouldn't go adding any other fish to your tank, even if you think they
will help keep it clean. I suspect that you are already overstocked, and any
addition to the tank is going to create extra waste of it's own which you
really don't need. There is no substitute for a good gravel vacuum and a
water change I'm afraid.
Mel.
"ste ©" wrote in message
...
Hi there,

I've got a small goldfish tank with two goldfish. To clean it, I've been
putting the fish into a bowl of clean water, then cleaning out their tank
and gravel in the bath.

The tank is probably too small to bother with a filter, but is there any
other way to keep the water clean without changing it every week? Are

there
any small water creatures I can get that will keep it cleaner for example?
I've also read somewhere about some sort of 'water hoover,' would that be
any good for what I'm talking about?

Thanks for any advice.

Regards,

Stephen




  #3  
Old January 2nd 04, 04:00 PM
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Default Cleaning out a small goldfish tank

give teh fish to somebody with a larger tank. you absolutely must have a filter for
GF unless you are going to do water changes every day. Ingrid

"ste ©" wrote:

Hi there,

I've got a small goldfish tank with two goldfish. To clean it, I've been
putting the fish into a bowl of clean water, then cleaning out their tank
and gravel in the bath.

The tank is probably too small to bother with a filter, but is there any
other way to keep the water clean without changing it every week? Are there
any small water creatures I can get that will keep it cleaner for example?
I've also read somewhere about some sort of 'water hoover,' would that be
any good for what I'm talking about?

Thanks for any advice.

Regards,

Stephen




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  #4  
Old January 7th 04, 09:42 PM
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Default Cleaning out a small goldfish tank

You cannot keep goldfish without filtration. Goldies expel and enormous amount
of ammonia into the water. Your fish are swimming in their own waste, and will
eventually be ill. You don't say how small the tank is, but rule of thumb is
10g per fish. You can get an Aquaclear 150 for a 10g tank and keep 2 fish,
because it's over filtered (I know, because I've had to do this for about a
year), but you also need some kind of bubble bar or other aeriation.

Don't over wash the gravel (I could be wrong, maybe you're not supposed to wash
it at all, I use sand) because the gravel contains the bio-bugs - benficial
bacteria - to keep the tank healthy.

I don't know what a water hoover is, unless it's a python, but that's just a
modified syphon hose.

You need to do a litte research, goldfish can grow over 12" long and live over
20 years, they need lots of space. I have a new 150g tank for just 6 fish.

Deanna
  #5  
Old January 12th 04, 10:02 PM
ste mc ©
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Default Cleaning out a small goldfish tank

Hey there,

First of all, thanks to Mel, Ingrid, and Deanna for your replies. I was
going to come back here and tell you that I thought your advice was a bit
over the top, and that my fish tank would be fine as it was. I was going to
say, if you want such a big tank for your fish, why don't you do the right
thing and let them back in the ocean where they belong, rather than keeping
them trapped in some aquarium, which no matter how big, will never compare
to their natural habitats.

But I then started reading more after your advice, so I've followed it. :-)
I bought a new tank today to replace the large goldfish bowl which we had
beforehand. The new tank came with a Fluval 2 filter. Hopefully, it will
do the job. If not, we'll just get a bigger filter later on. The tank also
came with a light in the hood, and the tank is 80cm x 30cm x 40cm, which
holds 96 litres, or 21 gallons.

I've got two fish in this, a Blackmoor, and something else - I will take a
photo later in the week and upload it to my webspace so someone can identify
it! ;-)

If anyone can recommend any real plants that will look nice in the tank and
be okay with my fish, then please feel free to do so. We've currently got
some of those plastic plants, but they look ever so tacky. Also, if anyone
can recommend any other aquatic life that would work well within our
aquarium, then please let me know.

So thanks to everyone for their help, it's much appreciated - not by me or
my bank balance so much, but my two little fishies! :-)

Thanks,

Stephen



"ste ©" wrote in message
...
| Hi there,
|
| I've got a small goldfish tank with two goldfish. To clean it, I've been
| putting the fish into a bowl of clean water, then cleaning out their tank
| and gravel in the bath.
|
| The tank is probably too small to bother with a filter, but is there any
| other way to keep the water clean without changing it every week? Are
there
| any small water creatures I can get that will keep it cleaner for example?
| I've also read somewhere about some sort of 'water hoover,' would that be
| any good for what I'm talking about?
|
| Thanks for any advice.
|
| Regards,
|
| Stephen
|
|


  #6  
Old January 13th 04, 04:16 AM
LoaderLady
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Default Cleaning out a small goldfish tank

Plants: nothing with small leaves which goldfish can get in their mouths.
Java Fern is highly recommended. I had a goldfish rip apart a piece of
hornwort in seconds but I think she was possibly after some baby snails and
not the plant itself. I had wisteria in my tank and the fish left it alone,
too, but the snails wrecked it. It is pretty, but requires alot of light.

As for other fish, you don't want to mix tropicals with goldfish since the
GF produce so much ammonia, and they have different dietary needs. Also, a
common one to put in there is an "algae eater", but this is also a mistake
since some will suck on the slime coat of a GF. Besides, goldfish will
graze on algae so you don't need one.

Most of us just keep our goldfish by themselves, or with a snail or 2. I
have a little swordtail in with my goldfish, but he thinks he is a goldfish.
LOL. He was among plants which the LFS put in the tank with some fantails,
and when he scooped water into the bag to catch my new fantails, he scooped
up 2 fry, and this little guy is the surviving one. He's now 5 months old
and I don't have the heart to separate them. When I first got my big tank
set up and moved the goldfish into it, I left the swordtail in the little
tank by himself and he was "pacing" and swimming frantically around, so I
finally gave in and put him in the GF tank. He hangs around my smallest
fish and eats goldfish food, etc. he's healthy and happy so I haven't
bothered to move him, but other than that, I have guppies and Angelfish and
they have their own tanks.

Good luck with your new fish, and don't hesitate to ask if you have any
concerns. Sometimes people here can be blunt, but it doesn't mean you
should take it personally. Unfortunately, many people don't do their
homework, nor do they bother to ask about the fish, and us folks dedicated
to the hobby get upset when this happens, that's all. But we are here to
help, and you have a delete button for posts you don't like...



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this address:
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Me and my fish Thank You!!
"ste mc ©" wrote in message
...
Hey there,

First of all, thanks to Mel, Ingrid, and Deanna for your replies. I was
going to come back here and tell you that I thought your advice was a bit
over the top, and that my fish tank would be fine as it was. I was going

to
say, if you want such a big tank for your fish, why don't you do the right
thing and let them back in the ocean where they belong, rather than

keeping
them trapped in some aquarium, which no matter how big, will never compare
to their natural habitats.

But I then started reading more after your advice, so I've followed it.

:-)
I bought a new tank today to replace the large goldfish bowl which we had
beforehand. The new tank came with a Fluval 2 filter. Hopefully, it will
do the job. If not, we'll just get a bigger filter later on. The tank

also
came with a light in the hood, and the tank is 80cm x 30cm x 40cm, which
holds 96 litres, or 21 gallons.

I've got two fish in this, a Blackmoor, and something else - I will take a
photo later in the week and upload it to my webspace so someone can

identify
it! ;-)

If anyone can recommend any real plants that will look nice in the tank

and
be okay with my fish, then please feel free to do so. We've currently got
some of those plastic plants, but they look ever so tacky. Also, if

anyone
can recommend any other aquatic life that would work well within our
aquarium, then please let me know.

So thanks to everyone for their help, it's much appreciated - not by me or
my bank balance so much, but my two little fishies! :-)

Thanks,

Stephen



"ste ©" wrote in message
...
| Hi there,
|
| I've got a small goldfish tank with two goldfish. To clean it, I've

been
| putting the fish into a bowl of clean water, then cleaning out their

tank
| and gravel in the bath.
|
| The tank is probably too small to bother with a filter, but is there any
| other way to keep the water clean without changing it every week? Are
there
| any small water creatures I can get that will keep it cleaner for

example?
| I've also read somewhere about some sort of 'water hoover,' would that

be
| any good for what I'm talking about?
|
| Thanks for any advice.
|
| Regards,
|
| Stephen
|
|




  #7  
Old January 13th 04, 07:15 PM
ste mc ©
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Default Cleaning out a small goldfish tank

Hi Tammy,

Thanks for your post. I don't mind the fish eating the plants, so long as
it does them no harm. But obviously, my main objective is to have a plant
that looks pretty for me! ;-) When you say that Wisteria, you said it's
pretty but requires a lot of light. I've got a single light in my hood,
would this be okay, or not enough? It looks bright enough for me, but I
don't know that particular needs of plants.

I wouldn't mix tropical fish with goldfish, and I'm not using a heater in
the tank either so probably couldn't. When I move house later this year,
I'd then like to get a bigger tank to house some tropical fish on their own.

That's a cute little story about your swordfish, perhaps you could sell this
story to the makers of Finding Nemo 2, in case they are looking for a story!
:-)

Thanks for the advice, and I am a big reader! Perhaps I should have read
more before I got the first fish, but no going back now, just onwards and
upwards! :-)

Thanks,

Stephen



"LoaderLady" wrote in message
. ..
| Plants: nothing with small leaves which goldfish can get in their mouths.
| Java Fern is highly recommended. I had a goldfish rip apart a piece of
| hornwort in seconds but I think she was possibly after some baby snails
and
| not the plant itself. I had wisteria in my tank and the fish left it
alone,
| too, but the snails wrecked it. It is pretty, but requires alot of light.
|
| As for other fish, you don't want to mix tropicals with goldfish since the
| GF produce so much ammonia, and they have different dietary needs. Also,
a
| common one to put in there is an "algae eater", but this is also a mistake
| since some will suck on the slime coat of a GF. Besides, goldfish will
| graze on algae so you don't need one.
|
| Most of us just keep our goldfish by themselves, or with a snail or 2. I
| have a little swordtail in with my goldfish, but he thinks he is a
goldfish.
| LOL. He was among plants which the LFS put in the tank with some
fantails,
| and when he scooped water into the bag to catch my new fantails, he
scooped
| up 2 fry, and this little guy is the surviving one. He's now 5 months old
| and I don't have the heart to separate them. When I first got my big tank
| set up and moved the goldfish into it, I left the swordtail in the little
| tank by himself and he was "pacing" and swimming frantically around, so I
| finally gave in and put him in the GF tank. He hangs around my smallest
| fish and eats goldfish food, etc. he's healthy and happy so I haven't
| bothered to move him, but other than that, I have guppies and Angelfish
and
| they have their own tanks.
|
| Good luck with your new fish, and don't hesitate to ask if you have any
| concerns. Sometimes people here can be blunt, but it doesn't mean you
| should take it personally. Unfortunately, many people don't do their
| homework, nor do they bother to ask about the fish, and us folks dedicated
| to the hobby get upset when this happens, that's all. But we are here to
| help, and you have a delete button for posts you don't like...
|
|
|
| --
| } Tammy {
| Support the Canakin Project with me, by linking to your favorite store
from
| this address:
| http://www.geocities.com/ontario_canakin All Proceeds will be used to
| purchase equipment, fish, etc for the Canakin Project
|
| Watkins Business Opportunity
| www.tsginfo.com Enter code TD3796
| Me and my fish Thank You!!
| "ste mc ©" wrote in message
| ...
| Hey there,
|
| First of all, thanks to Mel, Ingrid, and Deanna for your replies. I was
| going to come back here and tell you that I thought your advice was a
bit
| over the top, and that my fish tank would be fine as it was. I was
going
| to
| say, if you want such a big tank for your fish, why don't you do the
right
| thing and let them back in the ocean where they belong, rather than
| keeping
| them trapped in some aquarium, which no matter how big, will never
compare
| to their natural habitats.
|
| But I then started reading more after your advice, so I've followed it.
| :-)
| I bought a new tank today to replace the large goldfish bowl which we
had
| beforehand. The new tank came with a Fluval 2 filter. Hopefully, it
will
| do the job. If not, we'll just get a bigger filter later on. The tank
| also
| came with a light in the hood, and the tank is 80cm x 30cm x 40cm, which
| holds 96 litres, or 21 gallons.
|
| I've got two fish in this, a Blackmoor, and something else - I will take
a
| photo later in the week and upload it to my webspace so someone can
| identify
| it! ;-)
|
| If anyone can recommend any real plants that will look nice in the tank
| and
| be okay with my fish, then please feel free to do so. We've currently
got
| some of those plastic plants, but they look ever so tacky. Also, if
| anyone
| can recommend any other aquatic life that would work well within our
| aquarium, then please let me know.
|
| So thanks to everyone for their help, it's much appreciated - not by me
or
| my bank balance so much, but my two little fishies! :-)
|
| Thanks,
|
| Stephen
|
|
|
| "ste ©" wrote in message
| ...
| | Hi there,
| |
| | I've got a small goldfish tank with two goldfish. To clean it, I've
| been
| | putting the fish into a bowl of clean water, then cleaning out their
| tank
| | and gravel in the bath.
| |
| | The tank is probably too small to bother with a filter, but is there
any
| | other way to keep the water clean without changing it every week? Are
| there
| | any small water creatures I can get that will keep it cleaner for
| example?
| | I've also read somewhere about some sort of 'water hoover,' would that
| be
| | any good for what I'm talking about?
| |
| | Thanks for any advice.
| |
| | Regards,
| |
| | Stephen
| |
| |
|
|
|
|


  #8  
Old January 14th 04, 03:48 AM
LoaderLady
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Default Cleaning out a small goldfish tank

Different plants require different lighting. I mean wattage per gallon, not
time-wise. I found that out recently myself. LOL. I have 15 watt bulbs in
my planted 5 gallon tanks (3 watt/gallon). Some plants require even more
than that! With big tanks, you're looking at loads of electricity! That's
why I only planted my little tanks. I'm really not into getting 270 watts
for my 90g tank LOL.

There is so much to learn about fish and aquariums that it can get crazy
sometimes. I just stick to "learning" what I personally like. LOL. There
are newsgroups and lots of web pages on fish, plants, etc. If you like to
read, you'll be in heaven! LOL.

--
} Tammy {
Support the Canakin Project with me, by linking to your favorite store from
this address:
http://www.geocities.com/ontario_canakin All Proceeds will be used to
purchase equipment, fish, etc for the Canakin Project

Watkins Business Opportunity
www.tsginfo.com Enter code TD3796
Me and my fish Thank You!!
"ste mc ©" wrote in message
...
Hi Tammy,

Thanks for your post. I don't mind the fish eating the plants, so long as
it does them no harm. But obviously, my main objective is to have a plant
that looks pretty for me! ;-) When you say that Wisteria, you said it's
pretty but requires a lot of light. I've got a single light in my hood,
would this be okay, or not enough? It looks bright enough for me, but I
don't know that particular needs of plants.

I wouldn't mix tropical fish with goldfish, and I'm not using a heater in
the tank either so probably couldn't. When I move house later this year,
I'd then like to get a bigger tank to house some tropical fish on their

own.

That's a cute little story about your swordfish, perhaps you could sell

this
story to the makers of Finding Nemo 2, in case they are looking for a

story!
:-)

Thanks for the advice, and I am a big reader! Perhaps I should have read
more before I got the first fish, but no going back now, just onwards and
upwards! :-)

Thanks,

Stephen



"LoaderLady" wrote in message
. ..
| Plants: nothing with small leaves which goldfish can get in their

mouths.
| Java Fern is highly recommended. I had a goldfish rip apart a piece of
| hornwort in seconds but I think she was possibly after some baby snails
and
| not the plant itself. I had wisteria in my tank and the fish left it
alone,
| too, but the snails wrecked it. It is pretty, but requires alot of

light.
|
| As for other fish, you don't want to mix tropicals with goldfish since

the
| GF produce so much ammonia, and they have different dietary needs.

Also,
a
| common one to put in there is an "algae eater", but this is also a

mistake
| since some will suck on the slime coat of a GF. Besides, goldfish will
| graze on algae so you don't need one.
|
| Most of us just keep our goldfish by themselves, or with a snail or 2.

I
| have a little swordtail in with my goldfish, but he thinks he is a
goldfish.
| LOL. He was among plants which the LFS put in the tank with some
fantails,
| and when he scooped water into the bag to catch my new fantails, he
scooped
| up 2 fry, and this little guy is the surviving one. He's now 5 months

old
| and I don't have the heart to separate them. When I first got my big

tank
| set up and moved the goldfish into it, I left the swordtail in the

little
| tank by himself and he was "pacing" and swimming frantically around, so

I
| finally gave in and put him in the GF tank. He hangs around my smallest
| fish and eats goldfish food, etc. he's healthy and happy so I haven't
| bothered to move him, but other than that, I have guppies and Angelfish
and
| they have their own tanks.
|
| Good luck with your new fish, and don't hesitate to ask if you have any
| concerns. Sometimes people here can be blunt, but it doesn't mean you
| should take it personally. Unfortunately, many people don't do their
| homework, nor do they bother to ask about the fish, and us folks

dedicated
| to the hobby get upset when this happens, that's all. But we are here

to
| help, and you have a delete button for posts you don't like...
|
|
|
| --
| } Tammy {
| Support the Canakin Project with me, by linking to your favorite store
from
| this address:
| http://www.geocities.com/ontario_canakin All Proceeds will be used to
| purchase equipment, fish, etc for the Canakin Project
|
| Watkins Business Opportunity
| www.tsginfo.com Enter code TD3796
| Me and my fish Thank You!!
| "ste mc ©" wrote in message
| ...
| Hey there,
|
| First of all, thanks to Mel, Ingrid, and Deanna for your replies. I

was
| going to come back here and tell you that I thought your advice was a
bit
| over the top, and that my fish tank would be fine as it was. I was
going
| to
| say, if you want such a big tank for your fish, why don't you do the
right
| thing and let them back in the ocean where they belong, rather than
| keeping
| them trapped in some aquarium, which no matter how big, will never
compare
| to their natural habitats.
|
| But I then started reading more after your advice, so I've followed

it.
| :-)
| I bought a new tank today to replace the large goldfish bowl which we
had
| beforehand. The new tank came with a Fluval 2 filter. Hopefully, it
will
| do the job. If not, we'll just get a bigger filter later on. The

tank
| also
| came with a light in the hood, and the tank is 80cm x 30cm x 40cm,

which
| holds 96 litres, or 21 gallons.
|
| I've got two fish in this, a Blackmoor, and something else - I will

take
a
| photo later in the week and upload it to my webspace so someone can
| identify
| it! ;-)
|
| If anyone can recommend any real plants that will look nice in the

tank
| and
| be okay with my fish, then please feel free to do so. We've currently
got
| some of those plastic plants, but they look ever so tacky. Also, if
| anyone
| can recommend any other aquatic life that would work well within our
| aquarium, then please let me know.
|
| So thanks to everyone for their help, it's much appreciated - not by

me
or
| my bank balance so much, but my two little fishies! :-)
|
| Thanks,
|
| Stephen
|
|
|
| "ste ©" wrote in message
| ...
| | Hi there,
| |
| | I've got a small goldfish tank with two goldfish. To clean it, I've
| been
| | putting the fish into a bowl of clean water, then cleaning out their
| tank
| | and gravel in the bath.
| |
| | The tank is probably too small to bother with a filter, but is there
any
| | other way to keep the water clean without changing it every week?

Are
| there
| | any small water creatures I can get that will keep it cleaner for
| example?
| | I've also read somewhere about some sort of 'water hoover,' would

that
| be
| | any good for what I'm talking about?
| |
| | Thanks for any advice.
| |
| | Regards,
| |
| | Stephen
| |
| |
|
|
|
|




  #9  
Old January 14th 04, 01:08 PM
ste mc ©
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Default Cleaning out a small goldfish tank

Hi Tammy,

270 watts is a lot of light! I think I'll pass on those for now. :-)

Talking of web pages, can you or anyone else recommend some informative
websites for goldfish etc? I've already been on a few sites mentioned in
this group, but wondered if there were a few definiteive websites people
here would recommend me to refer to as my 'bible' if I needed to find
information on anything?

Thanks,

Stephen


"LoaderLady" wrote in message
...
Different plants require different lighting. I mean wattage per gallon,

not
time-wise. I found that out recently myself. LOL. I have 15 watt bulbs

in
my planted 5 gallon tanks (3 watt/gallon). Some plants require even more
than that! With big tanks, you're looking at loads of electricity!

That's
why I only planted my little tanks. I'm really not into getting 270 watts
for my 90g tank LOL.

There is so much to learn about fish and aquariums that it can get crazy
sometimes. I just stick to "learning" what I personally like. LOL.

There
are newsgroups and lots of web pages on fish, plants, etc. If you like to
read, you'll be in heaven! LOL.

--
} Tammy {
Support the Canakin Project with me, by linking to your favorite store

from
this address:
http://www.geocities.com/ontario_canakin All Proceeds will be used to
purchase equipment, fish, etc for the Canakin Project

Watkins Business Opportunity
www.tsginfo.com Enter code TD3796
Me and my fish Thank You!!
"ste mc ©" wrote in message
...
Hi Tammy,

Thanks for your post. I don't mind the fish eating the plants, so long

as
it does them no harm. But obviously, my main objective is to have a

plant
that looks pretty for me! ;-) When you say that Wisteria, you said it's
pretty but requires a lot of light. I've got a single light in my hood,
would this be okay, or not enough? It looks bright enough for me, but I
don't know that particular needs of plants.

I wouldn't mix tropical fish with goldfish, and I'm not using a heater

in
the tank either so probably couldn't. When I move house later this

year,
I'd then like to get a bigger tank to house some tropical fish on their

own.

That's a cute little story about your swordfish, perhaps you could sell

this
story to the makers of Finding Nemo 2, in case they are looking for a

story!
:-)

Thanks for the advice, and I am a big reader! Perhaps I should have

read
more before I got the first fish, but no going back now, just onwards

and
upwards! :-)

Thanks,

Stephen



"LoaderLady" wrote in message
. ..
| Plants: nothing with small leaves which goldfish can get in their

mouths.
| Java Fern is highly recommended. I had a goldfish rip apart a piece

of
| hornwort in seconds but I think she was possibly after some baby

snails
and
| not the plant itself. I had wisteria in my tank and the fish left it
alone,
| too, but the snails wrecked it. It is pretty, but requires alot of

light.
|
| As for other fish, you don't want to mix tropicals with goldfish since

the
| GF produce so much ammonia, and they have different dietary needs.

Also,
a
| common one to put in there is an "algae eater", but this is also a

mistake
| since some will suck on the slime coat of a GF. Besides, goldfish

will
| graze on algae so you don't need one.
|
| Most of us just keep our goldfish by themselves, or with a snail or 2.

I
| have a little swordtail in with my goldfish, but he thinks he is a
goldfish.
| LOL. He was among plants which the LFS put in the tank with some
fantails,
| and when he scooped water into the bag to catch my new fantails, he
scooped
| up 2 fry, and this little guy is the surviving one. He's now 5 months

old
| and I don't have the heart to separate them. When I first got my big

tank
| set up and moved the goldfish into it, I left the swordtail in the

little
| tank by himself and he was "pacing" and swimming frantically around,

so
I
| finally gave in and put him in the GF tank. He hangs around my

smallest
| fish and eats goldfish food, etc. he's healthy and happy so I haven't
| bothered to move him, but other than that, I have guppies and

Angelfish
and
| they have their own tanks.
|
| Good luck with your new fish, and don't hesitate to ask if you have

any
| concerns. Sometimes people here can be blunt, but it doesn't mean you
| should take it personally. Unfortunately, many people don't do their
| homework, nor do they bother to ask about the fish, and us folks

dedicated
| to the hobby get upset when this happens, that's all. But we are here

to
| help, and you have a delete button for posts you don't like...
|
|
|
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| Me and my fish Thank You!!
| "ste mc ©" wrote in message
| ...
| Hey there,
|
| First of all, thanks to Mel, Ingrid, and Deanna for your replies. I

was
| going to come back here and tell you that I thought your advice was

a
bit
| over the top, and that my fish tank would be fine as it was. I was
going
| to
| say, if you want such a big tank for your fish, why don't you do the
right
| thing and let them back in the ocean where they belong, rather than
| keeping
| them trapped in some aquarium, which no matter how big, will never
compare
| to their natural habitats.
|
| But I then started reading more after your advice, so I've followed

it.
| :-)
| I bought a new tank today to replace the large goldfish bowl which

we
had
| beforehand. The new tank came with a Fluval 2 filter. Hopefully,

it
will
| do the job. If not, we'll just get a bigger filter later on. The

tank
| also
| came with a light in the hood, and the tank is 80cm x 30cm x 40cm,

which
| holds 96 litres, or 21 gallons.
|
| I've got two fish in this, a Blackmoor, and something else - I will

take
a
| photo later in the week and upload it to my webspace so someone can
| identify
| it! ;-)
|
| If anyone can recommend any real plants that will look nice in the

tank
| and
| be okay with my fish, then please feel free to do so. We've

currently
got
| some of those plastic plants, but they look ever so tacky. Also, if
| anyone
| can recommend any other aquatic life that would work well within our
| aquarium, then please let me know.
|
| So thanks to everyone for their help, it's much appreciated - not by

me
or
| my bank balance so much, but my two little fishies! :-)
|
| Thanks,
|
| Stephen
|
|
|
| "ste ©" wrote in message
| ...
| | Hi there,
| |
| | I've got a small goldfish tank with two goldfish. To clean it,

I've
| been
| | putting the fish into a bowl of clean water, then cleaning out

their
| tank
| | and gravel in the bath.
| |
| | The tank is probably too small to bother with a filter, but is

there
any
| | other way to keep the water clean without changing it every week?

Are
| there
| | any small water creatures I can get that will keep it cleaner for
| example?
| | I've also read somewhere about some sort of 'water hoover,' would

that
| be
| | any good for what I'm talking about?
| |
| | Thanks for any advice.
| |
| | Regards,
| |
| | Stephen
| |
| |
|
|
|
|






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Old January 14th 04, 02:11 AM
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Default Cleaning out a small goldfish tank


"LoaderLady" wrote in message
. ..
Plants: nothing with small leaves which goldfish can get in their mouths.
Java Fern is highly recommended. I had a goldfish rip apart a piece of
hornwort in seconds but I think she was possibly after some baby snails

and
not the plant itself. I had wisteria in my tank and the fish left it

alone,
too, but the snails wrecked it. It is pretty, but requires alot of light.


Wisteria as in the woody vine??? Or is this also a name for an aquatic
plant?

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