Is it Human?

Kathy wrote:

Why would any woman want to terminate the life of a human that is
developing within herself? The answer may not please those who favor
abortion. But the fact remains that selfishness is often at the root
of the problem. It is usually an evasion of responsibility.

Is that right? And where is this "fact" coming from?

Andrew Hacker, writing in Harper’s magazine, made this point: “In
fact, abortion conceals a basic social conflict, but one we are not
prepared to discuss. The subject is sexual intercourse.” For many
people sex is a very important pastime. They want to enjoy it fully,
but they do not want the responsibility of taking care of a natural
consequence of sex—a baby! Abortion is a method of birth control—a
very sick method—used not only in Japan but in many parts of the
world.

So what?

Many people are addicted to the pursuit of pleasure. Their respect
for life is overshadowed by their selfish pursuit of sexual pleasure.

Oooh, get on the phone and call the pleasure police!

The Bible says: “In the last days critical times hard to deal with
will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves” and “lovers of
pleasures rather than lovers of God.” Is it not obvious that this
condition prevails in our day?—2 Timothy 3:1-4.

Who gives a flying **** what the Bible says?

Proponents of abortion use expressions to cover the real atrocity
that is committed. They refer to “the products of conception” and the
“contents of the uterus.” The actual act of abortion is called the
“termination of pregnancy.” They try to avoid the moral issue. But
the honest truth, simply put, is this: Abortion is the killing of a
human.

No, it isn't. A fetus is not a human, no matter how hard you ****ed up
religionists are trying to twist biology.

It makes no difference whether the life is snuffed out in the
uterus within 12 weeks of conception or whether it is choked to death
12 minutes after it is born! It has been killed.

Only in the mind of a ****ed up religionist.

In Britain, after a 24-week-old aborted fetus lived for 10 minutes,
it is reported that two of the nurses had “horrific nightmares.” Some
have quit their profession after such abortion incidents. Seeing the
helpless aborted fetus struggling to live is not a pleasant
experience!

You don't say? And what other imaginary events have taken place in your
fantasy world?

"... a 24-week-old aborted fetus lived for 10 minutes..."

Lying for Jesus again, are we?

Lying ****.


--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

On 9 Jun 2005 23:42:50 -0000, er
(Kathy) wrote:



Why would any woman want to terminate the life of a human that is
developing within herself? The answer may not please those who favor
abortion. But the fact remains that selfishness...

I bet you had your children to satisfy some duty you have to your
deity.

"Ben Goren" wrote in message

-SNIP-
Either because what is inside her does not yet meet her definition
of human (even if it meets your definition) or because she is in
the tragic position of having to choose between her life and
safety and the life of another.\

That is your morbid excuse for all abortions?

I give you a good reason:
Women should be in command of their life and their body, all bodily
functions like reproduction included. Something like a nonexistent
supernatural nobody or a group of self righteous (patriarchal) zealots
who have nothing better to do with their life than making others feel
miserable should have no say in this matter. Don't like it then go and
jump! Good riddance.
Demonising sex, prohibiting birth control, idealising asceticism and
calling all this good moral do nothing for creating a healthy society.
Unwanted children are a drain on social resources and a real curse on
the life of everyone (including their own). Sounds harsh to put it in
these terms? Yes, it is harsh. Do you think child abuse is not?
Do you think that a church controlled orphanage is a glorious solution?
Do you not know that rejected children suffer psychologically sometimes
till the end of their natural life?
Is suffering the true goal of human existence?

I
know of nobody who thinks of abortion as a good thing; simply
something that, on occasion, is that which causes the least harm
to the fewest people.

Occasion?
Are abortion clinics open on Christmas and July 4th. etc?
Or are abortions performed as part of marriage ceremonies?
What occasion are you referring to?
-SNIP-

What kind of silly argument line are you following here? I could not
care less about your July 4th just as much as I do not expect you to
care about March 15th. (I bet you have no clue what I am talking about.
You would never have heard of the country, which celebrates March 15th.
Do you even know where Europe is on a world map?)

It's never a good choice, but it may well be the least worst
choice. Regardless, the choice must ever be the woman's (with the
advice (but not consent) ideally of the father and certainly the
physician).

Too bad it isn't written into law like that, huh?

Thanks to idiots like you? There are so many bad laws around and you
are feel proud that this is so!

Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw

Kathy wrote:
Why would any woman want to terminate the life of a human that is
developing within herself? The answer may not please those who favor
abortion. But the fact remains that selfishness is often at the root
of the problem. It is usually an evasion of responsibility.

Which is why you would rather sit on your ass and play with computers
while 10,000+ people die of hunger each and every day.

Apparently being selfish is bad, but being selfish and a hypocrite
is good.

--
Ray Fischer

Is it mosquito?
Is it a biracial baby?

Your opposition to abortion is obviously based on your religious beliefs.
That's fine.
If you can convince a women not to abort a fetus that is fine.

People should however be able to conform to their own religious beliefs
"PROVIDED" they do
not attempt to FORCE their beliefs on others.

Whether or not to abort a pregnancy is and should be the women's personal
choice
without their choice be FORCED OR MANDATED by others.

"Kathy" wrote in message
news:CCZXTJSS38512.821412037@anonymous...


Why would any woman want to terminate the life of a human that is
developing within herself? The answer may not please those who favor
abortion. But the fact remains that selfishness is often at the root
of the problem. It is usually an evasion of responsibility.

Andrew Hacker, writing in Harper’s magazine, made this point: “In
fact, abortion conceals a basic social conflict, but one we are not
prepared to discuss. The subject is sexual intercourse.” For many
people sex is a very important pastime. They want to enjoy it fully,
but they do not want the responsibility of taking care of a natural
consequence of sex—a baby! Abortion is a method of birth control—a
very sick method—used not only in Japan but in many parts of the
world.

Many people are addicted to the pursuit of pleasure. Their respect
for life is overshadowed by their selfish pursuit of sexual pleasure.
The Bible says: “In the last days critical times hard to deal with
will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves” and “lovers of
pleasures rather than lovers of God.” Is it not obvious that this
condition prevails in our day?—2 Timothy 3:1-4.

Proponents of abortion use expressions to cover the real atrocity
that is committed. They refer to “the products of conception” and the
“contents of the uterus.” The actual act of abortion is called the
“termination of pregnancy.” They try to avoid the moral issue. But
the honest truth, simply put, is this: Abortion is the killing of a
human. It makes no difference whether the life is snuffed out in the
uterus within 12 weeks of conception or whether it is choked to death
12 minutes after it is born! It has been killed.

In Britain, after a 24-week-old aborted fetus lived for 10 minutes,
it is reported that two of the nurses had “horrific nightmares.” Some
have quit their profession after such abortion incidents. Seeing the
helpless aborted fetus struggling to live is not a pleasant
experience!


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"Bill" wrote in message
. ..
Your opposition to abortion is obviously based on your religious beliefs.
That's fine.
If you can convince a women not to abort a fetus that is fine.

People should however be able to conform to their own religious beliefs
"PROVIDED" they do
not attempt to FORCE their beliefs on others.

Do you mean people are not supposed to be represented in the USA via
Constitutional government and to accept Roe V Wade being FORCED upon them?

Whether or not to abort a pregnancy is and should be the women's personal
choice
without their choice be FORCED OR MANDATED by others.

Do you mean people are not supposed to be represented in the USA via
Constitutional government and to accept Roe V Wade being FORCED upon them?

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:31:58 -0400, "Johnny"
wrote:


"Bill" wrote in message
...
Your opposition to abortion is obviously based on your religious beliefs.
That's fine.
If you can convince a women not to abort a fetus that is fine.

People should however be able to conform to their own religious beliefs
"PROVIDED" they do
not attempt to FORCE their beliefs on others.

Do you mean people are not supposed to be represented in the USA via
Constitutional government and to accept Roe V Wade being FORCED upon them?

Look stupid, abortions are not forced on anyone. However their are
a large number of self righteous bigots, like your self that would
deny women any rights at all. Returning us to the dark ages when women
were property, with no rights. That's the christian way, hate filled
nosy busy bodies. The scum of the earth.

Johnny wrote:

Do you mean people are not supposed to be represented in the USA via
Constitutional government and to accept Roe V Wade being FORCED upon them?

Allowing certain people certain freedoms that in no way impinge on anyone
else's freedoms cannot be called "forcing upon" by any stretch of imagination.

Therefore your statement above is pure nonsense, unless you have an example
of anyone being forced to undergo abortion against her wishes.




--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

"Attila" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:31:58 -0400, "Johnny"
in alt.abortion with message-id
wrote:


"Bill" wrote in message
t...
Your opposition to abortion is obviously based on your religious
beliefs.
That's fine.
If you can convince a women not to abort a fetus that is fine.

People should however be able to conform to their own religious beliefs
"PROVIDED" they do
not attempt to FORCE their beliefs on others.

Do you mean people are not supposed to be represented in the USA via
Constitutional government and to accept Roe V Wade being FORCED upon them?

Exactly how is someone who is opposed to abortion forced to do
anything under R v W?

They are forced to agree with an unrepresentative, unconstitutionally
'enacted' provision and with living in a nation that is divided by that
provision.

Exactly how did their lives change from 1972 to 1974? Please be
specific and detail the exact requirements under R v W that has
changed their lives.

72 to 74?
Why aren't you concerned about today?
2005.


Whether or not to abort a pregnancy is and should be the women's
personal
choice
without their choice be FORCED OR MANDATED by others.

Do you mean people are not supposed to be represented in the USA via
Constitutional government and to accept Roe V Wade being FORCED upon them?


Exactly how is someone who is opposed to abortion forced to do
anything under R v W?

They are forced by life to be subject to an abortionist governmental
provision which fails to represent all people in common. They are forced by
birth to adapt, somehow, to a government that allows abortion on demand to
be in force via opinion and not by representation.