changing water

when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the whole
tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change

"danny" wrote in message
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when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the whole
tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change


Just the water you are adding.And use the water you have removed to wash
your pump,filters,plastic plants etc.Do not wash anything
just in tap water.

John

John... wrote:
"danny" wrote in message
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when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the whole
tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change



Just the water you are adding.And use the water you have removed to wash
your pump,filters,plastic plants etc.Do not wash anything
just in tap water.

John




I've been washing stuff in tap water for many, many years and have never
lost a cycle. All you need to do is match temps more or less - the
short pulse of chloramine/clorine is really not a problem.

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thank you

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John... wrote:
"danny" wrote in message
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when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the whole
tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change



Just the water you are adding.And use the water you have removed to wash
your pump,filters,plastic plants etc.Do not wash anything
just in tap water.

John




I've been washing stuff in tap water for many, many years and have never
lost a cycle. All you need to do is match temps more or less - the
short pulse of chloramine/clorine is really not a problem.

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I always wash mine out in tank water with the exception of washing off
excessive algae from the driftwood.

Gill

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"danny" wrote in message
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when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the whole
tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change

Just the water you are adding.

Except for things like plant fertilizer and algae treatments. If I
product says "xxx per week for yyy gallons" and you have a 30 gallon
tank, you add based on the 30 gallon tank size, not the few gallons of
change water.

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thanks

"Elaine T" wrote in message
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John... wrote:
"danny" wrote in message
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when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the whole
tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change



Just the water you are adding.And use the water you have removed to wash
your pump,filters,plastic plants etc.Do not wash anything
just in tap water.

John




I've been washing stuff in tap water for many, many years and have never
lost a cycle. All you need to do is match temps more or less - the
short pulse of chloramine/clorine is really not a problem.

Chloramine/chlorine must be what killed my good bacteria on my jungle sponge
filter as when I started keeping fancy guppies almost 2 years ago my tank
cycled for over 2 or 3 months until I bought a penguin bio-wheel filter. My
point is not to argue but to express my opinion that gill's method really
should be promoted especially to newbies, after all - better safe than
sorry, and by my experience gill is either absolutely right or there are
other characteristics of water that are in play here and they must change
geographically (from pace to place). I always used good approximate
temperatures when I rinsed/squeezed my jungle sponge filter under the tap
water and my tank refused to cycle until I started using the penguin
bio-wheel filter. Come to think of it I think I got the bio-wheel filter 4
months after starting the tank so it never cycled until after 4 months and
then only after I started using the bio-wheel. I love bio-wheels now but I
have revisited air powered sponge filters since I am nowadays sure I could
cycle a tank in no more than 6-8 weeks with an appropriately sized air
driven sponge filter as long as I do it right and squeeze the sponge out in
tank waste water during water changes, and never exposed it to tap water. If
I couldn't cycle a tank like I just said with an air driven sponge filter
then I would have to say bio-wheel filters are just plain necessary. I now
have my original jungle senior sponge filter running in my bedroom tank as a
backup/starter for the hospital tank or any other appropriate use. Sorry
Elaine - it's just my opinion.

P.s. - sorry again about the misinformation about the cichlids, I have very
little to go on and I was just trying to help. I only have a 40 year old
book and a lot of catalogs and some older magazines with occasional cichlid
information to go on. The catalogs for example talk about how cichlids need
a ph of about 8.2-8.4 by using products for sale that keep your water that
way, etc. The misinformation here is that really it should say "some
cichlids" need these conditions. I am only explaining myself in this
paragraph, I am not expressing my opinion in this paragraph. I could have
done some borrowing on the internet for proper information I guess though.
Good luck and later!



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"Daniel Morrow" wrote in message
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"Elaine T" wrote in message
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John... wrote:
"danny" wrote in message
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when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the
whole
tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change



Just the water you are adding.And use the water you have removed to
wash
your pump,filters,plastic plants etc.Do not wash anything
just in tap water.

John




I've been washing stuff in tap water for many, many years and have never
lost a cycle. All you need to do is match temps more or less - the
short pulse of chloramine/clorine is really not a problem.

Chloramine/chlorine must be what killed my good bacteria on my jungle
sponge
filter as when I started keeping fancy guppies almost 2 years ago my tank
cycled for over 2 or 3 months until I bought a penguin bio-wheel filter.
My
point is not to argue but to express my opinion that gill's method really
should be promoted especially to newbies, after all - better safe than
sorry, and by my experience gill is either absolutely right or there are
other characteristics of water that are in play here and they must change
geographically (from pace to place). I always used good approximate
temperatures when I rinsed/squeezed my jungle sponge filter under the tap
water and my tank refused to cycle until I started using the penguin
bio-wheel filter. Come to think of it I think I got the bio-wheel filter 4
months after starting the tank so it never cycled until after 4 months and
then only after I started using the bio-wheel. I love bio-wheels now but I
have revisited air powered sponge filters since I am nowadays sure I could
cycle a tank in no more than 6-8 weeks with an appropriately sized air
driven sponge filter as long as I do it right and squeeze the sponge out
in
tank waste water during water changes, and never exposed it to tap water.
If
I couldn't cycle a tank like I just said with an air driven sponge filter
then I would have to say bio-wheel filters are just plain necessary. I now
have my original jungle senior sponge filter running in my bedroom tank as
a
backup/starter for the hospital tank or any other appropriate use. Sorry
Elaine - it's just my opinion.

P.s. - sorry again about the misinformation about the cichlids, I have
very
little to go on and I was just trying to help. I only have a 40 year old
book and a lot of catalogs and some older magazines with occasional
cichlid
information to go on. The catalogs for example talk about how cichlids
need
a ph of about 8.2-8.4 by using products for sale that keep your water that
way, etc. The misinformation here is that really it should say "some
cichlids" need these conditions. I am only explaining myself in this
paragraph, I am not expressing my opinion in this paragraph. I could have
done some borrowing

I mean "browsing".

on the internet for proper information I guess though.
Good luck and later!



--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

"Daniel Morrow" wrote in message
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"Daniel Morrow" wrote in message
...

"Elaine T" wrote in message
.. .
John... wrote:
"danny" wrote in message
ups.com...

when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the
whole
tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change



Just the water you are adding.And use the water you have removed to
wash
your pump,filters,plastic plants etc.Do not wash anything
just in tap water.

John




I've been washing stuff in tap water for many, many years and have
never
lost a cycle. All you need to do is match temps more or less - the
short pulse of chloramine/clorine is really not a problem.

Chloramine/chlorine must be what killed my good bacteria on my jungle
sponge
filter as when I started keeping fancy guppies almost 2 years ago my
tank

I meant to type "never" before cycled....


cycled for over 2 or 3 months until I bought a penguin bio-wheel filter.
My
point is not to argue but to express my opinion that gill's method
really
should be promoted especially to newbies, after all - better safe than
sorry, and by my experience gill is either absolutely right or there are
other characteristics of water that are in play here and they must
change
geographically (from pace to place). I always used good approximate
temperatures when I rinsed/squeezed my jungle sponge filter under the
tap
water and my tank refused to cycle until I started using the penguin
bio-wheel filter. Come to think of it I think I got the bio-wheel filter
4
months after starting the tank so it never cycled until after 4 months
and
then only after I started using the bio-wheel. I love bio-wheels now but
I
have revisited air powered sponge filters since I am nowadays sure I
could
cycle a tank in no more than 6-8 weeks with an appropriately sized air
driven sponge filter as long as I do it right and squeeze the sponge out
in
tank waste water during water changes, and never exposed it to tap
water.
If
I couldn't cycle a tank like I just said with an air driven sponge
filter
then I would have to say bio-wheel filters are just plain necessary. I
now
have my original jungle senior sponge filter running in my bedroom tank
as
a
backup/starter for the hospital tank or any other appropriate use. Sorry
Elaine - it's just my opinion.

P.s. - sorry again about the misinformation about the cichlids, I have
very
little to go on and I was just trying to help. I only have a 40 year old
book and a lot of catalogs and some older magazines with occasional
cichlid
information to go on. The catalogs for example talk about how cichlids
need
a ph of about 8.2-8.4 by using products for sale that keep your water
that
way, etc. The misinformation here is that really it should say "some
cichlids" need these conditions. I am only explaining myself in this
paragraph, I am not expressing my opinion in this paragraph. I could
have
done some borrowing

I mean "browsing".

on the internet for proper information I guess though.
Good luck and later!



--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com