What's the best SALT?

"Jaime R-S" wrote in message ...
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Its OK, if you come to this forum, we try to help with different views.
I am not a hobbyist, I am a marine biologist that tried to give you,
or whom ever asked, some advice from a different point of view.

What issues do you work with ? What is your professional experience ?

TMTC

Can't you be more specific???

My CV is mine and not to be questioned here.
Just consider my points and if you like them good,
but if you don't is good too!

Well, you started to preach from the proffesional stand...
I just wanted to know who's student I have the pleasure to be.
Nobody is asking for detailed CV - it would be enough if
you state what is your window of expertise in the broad field
of marine biology and what are your credentials to admire here...
But, if this is something you are ashamed of - forgive me I asked.

What do you mean by "CV"?

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Jaime R-S wrote on 1/24/2006 7:27 PM:
My CV is mine and not to be questioned here.
Just consider my points and if you like them good, but if you don't is good
too!

jrs
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Its OK, if you come to this forum, we try to help with different views.
I am not a hobbyist, I am a marine biologist that tried to give you,
or whom ever asked, some advice from a different point of view.

What issues do you work with ? What is your professional experience ?

TMTC

Can't you be more specific???

There are hundreds of advanced aquarists that do not use trace
elements. Of these hundreds there are many that do not even do regular
water changes. There is a school of thought that trace element
supplimentation is not needed. (I don't happen to share in this
opinion, my tank has been doing MUCH better since I started regular
water changes!)

Replacing salt with what remains after evaporation is a bad idea. Some
salts do not remain stable through the process of evaporation and a lot
is lost in the process. (The main reason why we cant just evaporate
sea water and re-hydrate it for our tanks- it would not work well at
all.)

-Alfred

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message ...
What do you mean by "CV"?

It is European version of "resume" in USA...
CV stands for Latin "Curriculum Vitae".

BTW, do you remember his responses in the thread "18 months and NO tank maintenance!"
I remember... :-) If you want a reminder - click the following link and all will be clear:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...b63c91e70ca993
Jaime, how is your tank with no maintenance working for you? Is the brown algae gone, yet ? :-)

Kent is not IO salt. However, it is made by Aquarium Systems. Jack Kent of Kent Marine,
asked Ed Moka and Tom Frakes of AS to formulate a batch of salt and manufacture it, to
care the Kent name. One of the big differences is that IO does not have vitamins added to
the salt and Kent does. There are many seawater mixed formulas, about 150. Ed and Tom
picked one for Jack that made him happy.

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"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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: Well belive it or not, Kent is just instant ocean salt. If
: you don't belive me you can go around asking your LFS.
:
: Wayne Sallee
: Wayne's Pets
:
:
:
: Roy wrote on 1/21/2006 4:49 PM:
: Come on Wayne why would Kent salt be the same as IO? Its contrary to
: what lab results have shown on the various breakdowns of synthetic sea
: salts commonly available. Its not even close to being Instant
: Ocean.........
:
: http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/seasaltmixes/l/aa090503b.htmY'all
: check it out and see what lab tests have shown....
:
:
: Instant Ocean is a great salt so is Oceanic, and so is any other brand
: that works for you..........If I was to guess since I do not really
: know, the LFS is making more profit from Kent in more ways than one,
: not only from the standpoint of margin of profit it costs them as
: compared to I/O but probably as a way to be able to sell more of the
: numerous KENT line of products to sup0plement what other salts already
: have sufficiient quanities of.......Yea its a numbers game and a
: marketing game, but Kent leaves a lot to be desired in lots of their
: products........
:
: Salt water is salt water if its got the same degree of salt content
: generally speaking and is totally interchangeable with any
: other......all thats going to vary for the most part which should not
: create problems is trace minerals.........But like another posted
: already " If it ain't broke why fix it?"
:
: On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:45:49 GMT, Wayne Sallee
: wrote:
:
: Your LFS is lying to you. Kent is Instant Ocean in a Kent Bag.
:
: The idea of not using different salts, is a scare tactic
: to keep people from swiching salts.
:
: The bit of trugh that lies in that statement is that some
: salt manufactures have used in the past, or currently use
: (I have not found anyone yet that does)EDTA (artificial
: clarifier). If your salts do not, then there is no problem
: with mixing.
:
: Wayne Sallee
: Wayne's Pets
:
:
:
: Peter Pan wrote on 1/21/2006 1:25 PM:
: I've been using Instant Ocean since I set up my 75 Gal. FOWLR tank in 2002
: and never had a problem. I've read that its not really a good idea to change
: salt, but if you were to change it, it was a very lengthy process with
: mixing your current salt with the new stuff until your completly changed
: over.( the process should take several months.
:
: My local LFS said that KENT was better for my tank then using Instant Ocean.
: What im wondering is; Is it better for his profits or is it really a better
: product for my tank?
:
: Thanks
:
:
:
:

That article is a joke and filled with testing and analytical errors. Try reading these,
they are more real..

The Toxicity of Synthetic Sea Salts and Natural Seawater to the Development of White Sea
Urchin (Lytichinus pictus) Larvae
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2005/3/aafeature

Inland Reef Aquaria Salt Study Part I
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2005/11/aafeature1/view

Inland Reef Aquaria Salt Study Part II
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2005/12/aafeature1/view
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If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up

Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS

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"Tidepool Geek" wrote in message
oups.com...
: Hi Wayne,
:
: The assertion that Instant Ocean is the best salt seems to run contrary
: to a study published in the March, 2003 issue of Reefkeeping. Here's a
: link to that article:
: http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ture/index.php
:
: The article describes a bio-assay experiment comparing several
: different salt mixes (unfortunately Kent wasn't among them) to natural
: salt water by comparing the development of sea urchin larvae in each.
: The article goes into great detail about the methodology, a statistical
: analysis of the results, and certain inferences drawn from a chemical
: analysis of the commercial products.
:
: The bottom line of the testing was that Instant Ocean and Coralife came
: out looking pretty bad, both in terms of urchin development and of the
: levels of undesirable metals in the products.
:
: Of the salts tested, the winner by a pretty fair margin seems to be
: Crystal Seas Marinemix - Bioassay Formula made by Marine Enterprises
: International, Inc. This product's make-up was the closest to NSW and
: it actually had a slightly better urchin development result than did
: NSW.
:
:
: Brackishly yours,
:
: Alex
:

ImperialCoins typed:
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Replacing salt with what remains after evaporation is a bad idea.
Some salts do not remain stable through the process of evaporation
and a lot is lost in the process. (The main reason why we cant
just evaporate sea water and re-hydrate it for our tanks- it would
not work well at all.)

-Alfred

Not to mention the dust and crud that settles on it. Yuk.

No ofense at all!
Ignorance is daring but understandable.

Do not judge the book for its cover, I have no idea what triggered your
emotions but telling you my achievements will divert the attention from the
real purpose of this forum.
Lets use this newsgroup as is intended, as a tool to help us make our
aquariums look better in a cheaper way.

Yes, I have a couple of related publications, have ample experience in field
research, am working in a few field guides of the Florida Key's wildlife, am
also developing an aquarium system with none or little maintenance, enough
wetlands experience to be called by city commissioners to address a
freshwater lake cleanup, etc...

Now, What difference does it make if I post here all the evidence?

Just enjoy the group and don't worry about who I am or am not...

jrs
"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"Jaime R-S" wrote in message
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"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"Jaime R-S" wrote in message
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"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"Jaime R-S" wrote in message
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Its OK, if you come to this forum, we try to help with different
views.
I am not a hobbyist, I am a marine biologist that tried to give you,
or whom ever asked, some advice from a different point of view.

What issues do you work with ? What is your professional experience ?

TMTC

Can't you be more specific???

My CV is mine and not to be questioned here.
Just consider my points and if you like them good,
but if you don't is good too!

Well, you started to preach from the proffesional stand...
I just wanted to know who's student I have the pleasure to be.
Nobody is asking for detailed CV - it would be enough if
you state what is your window of expertise in the broad field
of marine biology and what are your credentials to admire here...
But, if this is something you are ashamed of - forgive me I asked.

You wouldn't know!

jrs
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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What do you mean by "CV"?

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Jaime R-S wrote on 1/24/2006 7:27 PM:
My CV is mine and not to be questioned here.
Just consider my points and if you like them good, but if you don't is
good too!

jrs
"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"Jaime R-S" wrote in message
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"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"Jaime R-S" wrote in message
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Its OK, if you come to this forum, we try to help with different
views.
I am not a hobbyist, I am a marine biologist that tried to give you,
or whom ever asked, some advice from a different point of view.

What issues do you work with ? What is your professional experience ?

TMTC

Can't you be more specific???

Agree!


jrs
"ImperialCoins" wrote in message
oups.com...
There are hundreds of advanced aquarists that do not use trace
elements. Of these hundreds there are many that do not even do regular
water changes. There is a school of thought that trace element
supplimentation is not needed. (I don't happen to share in this
opinion, my tank has been doing MUCH better since I started regular
water changes!)

Replacing salt with what remains after evaporation is a bad idea. Some
salts do not remain stable through the process of evaporation and a lot
is lost in the process. (The main reason why we cant just evaporate
sea water and re-hydrate it for our tanks- it would not work well at
all.)

-Alfred