list of scaleless fish?

Hi all,

I have been wondering which loach species are considered scaleless.. I
assume not all are scaleless?

Is there a list somewhere listing all the species that are in the
scaleless family, and thus have to worry about medication strength?

I currently have dwarf chain loach (b. sidthemunki) and zebra loach (b.
striata).. not sure if they are considered scaless.. I don't think they
are, but I'm not very knowledgeable about this.

linda

LM wrote:
Hi all,

I have been wondering which loach species are considered scaleless.. I
assume not all are scaleless?

Is there a list somewhere listing all the species that are in the
scaleless family, and thus have to worry about medication strength?

I currently have dwarf chain loach (b. sidthemunki) and zebra loach (b.
striata).. not sure if they are considered scaless.. I don't think they
are, but I'm not very knowledgeable about this.

linda

clown loache and yoyo loach are scaleless, I think they all are but no
expert also my upside down catfish are.

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LM wrote:
Hi all,

I have been wondering which loach species are considered scaleless.. I
assume not all are scaleless?

Is there a list somewhere listing all the species that are in the
scaleless family, and thus have to worry about medication strength?

I currently have dwarf chain loach (b. sidthemunki) and zebra loach
(b.
striata).. not sure if they are considered scaless.. I don't think
they
are, but I'm not very knowledgeable about this.

linda

clown loache and yoyo loach are scaleless, I think they all are but no
expert also my upside down catfish are.

A proper list would be a very good thing to have. Kudos for such a good
question. Since the motivation is to know what fish are sensitive to
certain medicinal concentrations, the list should have 3 parts to it,
scaleless fish (ie: botia and some other loaches like Kuhlis),
incompletely scaled fish (ie: plecos, corydoras have the same sensitivity
due to their underbelly scaleless skin), and scaled fish (this is an
easier category : any fish smaller than 1 inch would be vulnerable). It
would also be good to know what medications, as it's only treatments for
external parasites which I'm aware of, so is it the formalin or the
malachite green and/or other things?
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NetMax wrote:

A proper list would be a very good thing to have. Kudos for such a good
question. Since the motivation is to know what fish are sensitive to
certain medicinal concentrations, the list should have 3 parts to it,
scaleless fish (ie: botia and some other loaches like Kuhlis),
incompletely scaled fish (ie: plecos, corydoras have the same sensitivity
due to their underbelly scaleless skin), and scaled fish (this is an
easier category : any fish smaller than 1 inch would be vulnerable).

Uhm, I don't want to correct you here Netmax, but perhaps I should...

Loaches aren't scaleless. They do however have near-microscopic scales.
Catfish on the other hand are scaleless. AFAIK all of them. They may
have armor plating, but the plates are not scales.

They are however all considered sensitive to medications, although the
exact reason for this is unknown to me. Especially malachite green is
nasty in that it seems hard to predict which species will be sensitive
to it, and which wont. However, is malachite green still available in
the US? I believe it's been outlawed here in the EU (or at least is in
the process of being outlawed).

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NetMax wrote:

A proper list would be a very good thing to have. Kudos for such a
good
question. Since the motivation is to know what fish are sensitive to
certain medicinal concentrations, the list should have 3 parts to it,
scaleless fish (ie: botia and some other loaches like Kuhlis),
incompletely scaled fish (ie: plecos, corydoras have the same
sensitivity
due to their underbelly scaleless skin), and scaled fish (this is an
easier category : any fish smaller than 1 inch would be vulnerable).

Uhm, I don't want to correct you here Netmax, but perhaps I should...

The only danger is that I might learn something ;~)

Loaches aren't scaleless. They do however have near-microscopic scales.
Catfish on the other hand are scaleless. AFAIK all of them. They may
have armor plating, but the plates are not scales.

Interesting about the loaches - that one might leave itself open to some
interpretation. Your description on the armored cats is much better than
mine. 'Incompletely scaled' was my bad English for partially armored.

They are however all considered sensitive to medications, although the
exact reason for this is unknown to me. Especially malachite green is
nasty in that it seems hard to predict which species will be sensitive
to it, and which wont. However, is malachite green still available in
the US? I believe it's been outlawed here in the EU (or at least is in
the process of being outlawed).

AFAIK, only California had a real issue with it. Everywhere else in
North America, it was still available, albeit with its warnings about
causing cancer.
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They are however all considered sensitive to medications, although the
exact reason for this is unknown to me. Especially malachite green is
nasty in that it seems hard to predict which species will be sensitive
to it, and which wont. However, is malachite green still available in
the US? I believe it's been outlawed here in the EU (or at least is in
the process of being outlawed).

AFAIK, only California had a real issue with it. Everywhere else in
North America, it was still available, albeit with its warnings about
causing cancer.

I can buy malachite green in California, no problem. It's aquatic
plants than can be tricky. I miss tropical sunset hygro.

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Is it true that all ick meds can cause cancer (to humans) and how, getting
it on you often, once or whats the deal?
Nikki




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They are however all considered sensitive to medications, although the
exact reason for this is unknown to me. Especially malachite green is
nasty in that it seems hard to predict which species will be sensitive
to it, and which wont. However, is malachite green still available in
the US? I believe it's been outlawed here in the EU (or at least is in
the process of being outlawed).

AFAIK, only California had a real issue with it. Everywhere else in
North America, it was still available, albeit with its warnings about
causing cancer.

I can buy malachite green in California, no problem. It's aquatic plants
than can be tricky. I miss tropical sunset hygro.

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Nikki wrote:
Is it true that all ick meds can cause cancer (to humans) and how, getting
it on you often, once or whats the deal?
Nikki

Let's put it into perspective. The radiation from your CRT and cell
phone should concern you much more than your fish meds.

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how come everyone is always making such a big deal of it? I had looked on my
bottles of ick med and the ones at the store and never seen a warning, but i
have read it several times on the interent, that its better to use natural
cures because of the risk of cancer, i was thinking if it was that big of a
risk it should be on the bottle or something like that, i was a little
worried about touching the water with ick med in it.
Nikki

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Let's put it into perspective. The radiation from your CRT and cell phone
should concern you much more than your fish meds.

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:53:43 -0500, "Nikki"
wrote:

how come everyone is always making such a big deal of it? I had looked on my
bottles of ick med and the ones at the store and never seen a warning, but i
have read it several times on the interent, that its better to use natural
cures because of the risk of cancer, i was thinking if it was that big of a
risk it should be on the bottle or something like that, i was a little
worried about touching the water with ick med in it.
Nikki

When you go to the supermarket, do you see all the foods labeled with
warnings about the unhealthy ingredients on the package? The
carcinogenic coatings they put on your fruit and vegetables to keep
them fresh and shiny? Why in the world should an industry as
unregulated as the fish products industry warn you that their medicine
might not cure everything under the sun and might actually cause harm?
-- Mister Gardener