Aphids on Lily leaves

I asked the people at Water Garden Gems in San Antonio about a means for
controlling Aphids on Lily leaves. Here is their response:

Good afternoon,
Aphid's can be controlled by using Safer Soap and spraying the pads. Be
careful not to do it in the middle of the day, try to do it in the evenings
so that the sun does not shine on the pads. Safer Soap is a safe product to
use in and around the pond and can be purchased in most nurseries or Wal
Mart in the gardening section.
Thank You
Connie

I did find it at Wal-Mart. It is called "Safer 3-in-1" and comes in a 24 oz
spray bottle. The cost was $5.

Jerry in San Antonio

"Jerry Jackson" wrote in message
...
I asked the people at Water Garden Gems in San Antonio about a means for
controlling Aphids on Lily leaves. Here is their response:


Insecticidal soap such as Safer's works. So does a garden hose, just spray
them off, let the koi eat them.

-S

is it safe for fish????? soap?????? I dont think so. Ingrid

"Jerry Jackson" wrote:

I asked the people at Water Garden Gems in San Antonio about a means for
controlling Aphids on Lily leaves. Here is their response:

Good afternoon,
Aphid's can be controlled by using Safer Soap and spraying the pads. Be
careful not to do it in the middle of the day, try to do it in the evenings
so that the sun does not shine on the pads. Safer Soap is a safe product to
use in and around the pond and can be purchased in most nurseries or Wal
Mart in the gardening section.
Thank You
Connie

I did find it at Wal-Mart. It is called "Safer 3-in-1" and comes in a 24 oz
spray bottle. The cost was $5.

Jerry in San Antonio




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[re Safer soap]

is it safe for fish????? soap?????? I dont think so. Ingrid

That was my thought too. I'm not entirely sure what it is about soap that
harms the fish. It's less problematic with low-foaming soap, and this
probably is low-suds, but I don't think any soap is _safe_.
--
derek

"Jerry Jackson" wrote in message
...
I asked the people at Water Garden Gems in San Antonio about a means for
controlling Aphids on Lily leaves. Here is their response:

Good afternoon,
Aphid's can be controlled by using Safer Soap and spraying the pads. Be
careful not to do it in the middle of the day, try to do it in the
evenings so that the sun does not shine on the pads. Safer Soap is a safe
product to use in and around the pond and can be purchased in most
nurseries or Wal Mart in the gardening section.
Thank You
Connie

I did find it at Wal-Mart. It is called "Safer 3-in-1" and comes in a 24
oz spray bottle. The cost was $5.

Jerry in San Antonio
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I would still remove the plant to another place to spray it. You never
know! I would not want any kind of insecticidal soaps in my ponds. Some
people recommend hosing the aphids into the water for the fish to eat. That
didn't work for me as not one koi, goldfish or rosy-red would eat them.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
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On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:45:34 -0500, "Koi-Lo"
wrote: Yes, I know what you mean, I have zits on my ass that acid
won't touch.

"Jerry Jackson" wrote in message
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I asked the people at Water Garden Gems in San Antonio about a means for
controlling Aphids on Lily leaves. Here is their response:

Good afternoon,
Aphid's can be controlled by using Safer Soap and spraying the pads. Be
careful not to do it in the middle of the day, try to do it in the
evenings so that the sun does not shine on the pads. Safer Soap is a safe
product to use in and around the pond and can be purchased in most
nurseries or Wal Mart in the gardening section.
Thank You
Connie

I did find it at Wal-Mart. It is called "Safer 3-in-1" and comes in a 24
oz spray bottle. The cost was $5.

Jerry in San Antonio
===========================
*Note: There are TWO Koi-Lo's on this NG* and I am the imposter.

I would still remove the plant to another place to spray it. You never
know! I would not want any kind of insecticidal soaps in my ponds. Some
people recommend hosing the aphids into the water for the fish to eat. That
didn't work for me as not one koi, goldfish or rosy-red would eat them.

Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1982.
Aquariums since 1956.
Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo.
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I think it removes the slime coat on the gills... which are essential for oxygen
uptake. Ingrid

Derek Broughton wrote:

wrote:

[re Safer soap]

is it safe for fish????? soap?????? I dont think so. Ingrid

That was my thought too. I'm not entirely sure what it is about soap that
harms the fish. It's less problematic with low-foaming soap, and this
probably is low-suds, but I don't think any soap is _safe_.



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is it safe for fish????? soap?????? I dont think so. Ingrid

Sorry Ingrid, but that response is fear mongering, with out any apparent
basis in fact.

The active ingredient in Safer Brand Insecticidal soap is 49% Potassium
salts of fatty acids.
Which has an LC50 of 18-30ppm on fish.

In a 1300 gal pond, 18ppm is about 0.234 gal or 0.88 liter. Since the soap
is at 49% concentration it converts' to half gal or 1.8L of product.

A few spritzes of the stuff is about one ounce? Or about 0.6ppm. At that
concentration it's not even worth bothering about.

References:
http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/psfatech.pdf

"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message
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Some places sell ladybugs and other predatory insects. Would they work?
http://www.planetnatural.com/site/se...cial%20Insects

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
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I read in a gardening magazine they're a waste to buy. They fly away once
released and the numbers in your yard or garden remain about the same. They
said the same thing for Praying Mantis.
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I read in a gardening magazine they're a waste to buy. They fly away once
released and the numbers in your yard or garden remain about the same. They
said the same thing for Praying Mantis.

This is what they claim in MG classes also. I found if you have a good
source (I had a heavily infested wisteria) and you follow the directions on
the bag, which say, wet source and release bugs after dark. They will stay
long enough to clean up the infestation. There wasn't an aphid left to be
found on the wisteria a week later.

Now I have put them on a lily pad, sometimes it works and sometimes it just
****es off the lady bug, who immediately flies away.

Personally I'm still for hand squishing them.

Even if Safer's is totally safe around fish (and for the most part it
probably is, even though the bottle's I've seen say do not apply around
aquatic animals) it will still leave an oil slick on your water surface.
Depending on your filtration and flow the slick will either leave quickly
or dissipate after a day or so. ~ jan
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