Tropical To Marine

I have a much better idea Gill........make a kill file with my name in
it.....use my earthlink so yoiu do not slight Carol and filter her
out.......then you can filter just like the Canuck
Derek.......afterall birds of a feather flock together....Even make a
filter for Roy....then just forget I exist, and if everyone else does
just this same thing, no one should ever get wrapped up in my posts to
beigin with unless they have a desire to.........Sure I may reply to a
post someone makes, but yur filters as such will keep my points of
view out of your eyesight and never ending compulsion to reply to ****
you should never have gotten involved in anyhow..And when yu start or
other start paying my ISP bill then I may give you consideration in
doing what you request.......until then, Don;t waste your time telling
me what I can or can't do........and requests are not honored either.


On Mon, 01 May 2006 21:42:10 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote:
Koi-Lo wrote:
Yea, and flattery will get you no place Gill......especially with the
blackmail strongarm threats type tactics you are trying to
use.....Just not gonna work dude............Your emails really make
your true colors come out.........about on par with some of the crap
Carol Gulley posts....

Hmmm....but I don't post them.....do you even know what my true colours
are?????

Please, hit the reply to button and take this off of the newsgroup....

It is not about flattery, it is about reality and how much you know
about stuff....far more than I do....so bite me for saying it.....

Gill

Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1982.
Aquariums since 1956.
Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds.
But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Roy wrote:
I have a much better idea Gill........make a kill file with my name in
it.....use my earthlink so yoiu do not slight Carol and filter her
out.......then you can filter just like the Canuck
Derek.......afterall birds of a feather flock together....Even make a
filter for Roy....then just forget I exist, and if everyone else does
just this same thing, no one should ever get wrapped up in my posts to
beigin with unless they have a desire to.........Sure I may reply to a
post someone makes, but yur filters as such will keep my points of
view out of your eyesight and never ending compulsion to reply to ****
you should never have gotten involved in anyhow..And when yu start or
other start paying my ISP bill then I may give you consideration in
doing what you request.......until then, Don;t waste your time telling
me what I can or can't do........and requests are not honored either.



Now I have some issues with me doing this...forgive me....

1. When you post on-topic the information that you give is invaluable
and I've learnt a lot from this

2. Derek is OK - why go for him?

3. Your posts will put off any newbies who don't know that they need to
filter...

4. If Carol did what you think she did why is she so desperate for me to
share my research???? (haven't and won't)

5. If I kill-file you how do I know what you are doing to destroy the
groups???

6. How much is your ISP bill???? I'm sure a lot of us would chip in

As I said, mail me....what are you scared of that you won't do that????
Maybe you are scared that you might actually like me???? You have my
email account yet still want to thrash this out on the groups....what's
your agenda - to kill them off???? I believe most people on this
newsgroup would love this debate taken off-line....

Gill

On Mon, 01 May 2006 20:22:39 GMT, Gav ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the
spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote:
Roy wrote:
It would help if you stated what you had......Other than the tank,
which is pretty well a given, its hard to say what is and what is not
suitable for marine use and what type of marine tank your looking to
setup.........FOWLR or FO or Reef or ??????????????????????





On Mon, 01 May 2006 17:17:53 GMT, Gav ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the
spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote:
can i convert my tropical tank to marine?

if so, what do i need for the conversion and will my existing cannister
filter be ok for marine(with new media installed)

Thanks

Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1982.
Aquariums since 1956.
Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds.
But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

4x2x2 feet tank, currently used to house a variety of plec and one
lonely gourami. i have aqua one cannister filter, air pump and stone,
heater dunno what wattage but it keeps the tank at a stable temp gravel
and water(lol)there is also a jewel filter in the tank but it is not
going to stay in there as it requires constant attention


Just clean tank well, no further need for gravel in a sal****er setup.
Marine tanks need to be kept in the area of 75 to 80, although some
folks run them as high as 82 or so degrees.....the key is keeping the
tank stabil in regards to temperature swings....Roughly 3 to 5 watts
per gal is the norm for a heater. Best to run two heaters whose total
wattage equals the needed wattage incase one sticks you do not cook
the tank like one larger heater can do.
i have absoloutly no idea what different types of marine tank setup
are but i do want to have a box fish(dunno what breed etc) as i fell in
love with one i saw.

A box fish is a breed of fish......in the same species IIRC with
puffers and cow fish. YOu can get by with the lights you already have
if yu do not elect to keep any corals, but you could still have some
liverock which is highly recomended. Live rock and live sand is the
heart and soul of a marine setup, and if you use 1.5# or so live rock
per gal you can just about eliminate the need for any filtration and
get by with a simple hob type Aqua clear filter for some current flow
and mechanical filtration and a few powerheads. I owuld not use
crushed coral for the tank substrate as it adds little in the way of
nbeneficial anaything to a marine tank.Use arogonite (calcium based)
sand. It allows better use of bethic critters ability to utilize it.
You need a clean up crew (hermit crabs, snails etc) and personally I
would go with a shallow sand bed and not have the worry of getting gas
buildup in a deep sand bed., At one time deep sand beds were the
things, and they still sre in some cases, but best, easiest way with
less problems overall is a shallow 1" or so depth of sand. You can use
regular silica based sand as well but nothing beats real aragonite
sand for a sal****er tank.

Depending on what wattage your lights are, perhaps you can swap out a
bulb for a suitable marine type setup and then keep a few soft type
corals around such as zoos and mushrooms, as they add character to any
sal****er setup. Cleaner or other type shrimp can be added.......but
you have to decide what exactly you want in the way of fish as nmot
all fish are compatable with a reef setup, some fish rely on a reef
setup and others could get along without anyhting but a glass box with
water and salt in it just fine.....

You need an ammonia, nitrite and nitrate and PH test kit. Freshwater
test kits will not usually work as marine tanks are nmormally kept at
a higher ph than freshwater is (8.1 to 8.5 or so) Your gonna need a
refractometer (preferred) or a hydrometer to keep check of your
specific gravity (salt content). With fish only you can go with a
1.021 to 1.023 SG add corals or any tyope and your better off with a
1.023 to 1.025 or even higher SG.

As for your present filter, marine tanks are counter to what a fresh
water tank is. In freshwater folks use the filter to grow and house
bacteria, in a marine tank enclosed filters etc normally do not, as
they turn into a nitrate factory, which is undesireable for the most
part in a marine setup........

A skimmer is nice to have but not necessary in a fish only (FO) tsank.
LIve rock and live sand is pricey, but there is workarounds and
methods to get around these problems, that work, but takes time...Here
in the USA premium cured LR routinely sells for $7.00 or so a pound,
but even a 5# chuck is beneficial to any tank than no live rock at
all. A tank with sufficieint LR needs not real filtration as the
liverock is the actual filter except for mechanical removal of larger
debri, and its virtually unheard of a LR equipped tank ever getting a
ammonia or niitite or nitrate problem like a fresh water tank can
have......

Check out reefcentral.com
creativereefing.com
sal****erfish.com
and wetweb media for lots of info on marine setups.

i currently have four tropical tanks so i spend a lot of time with them,
dedication is not a problem!

i want to make sure the water and environment will be sustainable over
time and that the fish will be happy to live in the tank.

most of the shop0s in my area just want to sell you stuff not help you
expand your hobby!

many thanks in advice

Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1982.
Aquariums since 1956.
Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds.
But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Gill Passman wrote:
Koi-Lo wrote:
Yea, and flattery will get you no place Gill......especially with the
blackmail strongarm threats type tactics you are trying to
use.....Just not gonna work dude............Your emails really make
your true colors come out.........about on par with some of the crap
Carol Gulley posts....

Hmmm....but I don't post them.....do you even know what my true colours
are?????

Please, hit the reply to button and take this off of the newsgroup....

It is not about flattery, it is about reality and how much you know
about stuff....far more than I do....so bite me for saying it.....

Gill
people, can we please get to my thread. i know how it is with views and
territory in usenet but c'mon i need the help here! i really want to
enter the world of marine , i am reading up as i type, but i am waiting
for real people to give real live advice!

See how screwed up asking and getting correct rep[lies in the USENET
really is........ya would have had a ton of replies by competent
follks in a web based forum by now, sand I have yet to see your post
on usenets only sal****er forum come up.........

On Mon, 01 May 2006 20:22:39 GMT, Gav ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the
spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote:
Roy wrote:
It would help if you stated what you had......Other than the tank,
which is pretty well a given, its hard to say what is and what is not
suitable for marine use and what type of marine tank your looking to
setup.........FOWLR or FO or Reef or ??????????????????????





On Mon, 01 May 2006 17:17:53 GMT, Gav ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the
spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote:
can i convert my tropical tank to marine?

if so, what do i need for the conversion and will my existing cannister
filter be ok for marine(with new media installed)

Thanks

Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1982.
Aquariums since 1956.
Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds.
But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

4x2x2 feet tank, currently used to house a variety of plec and one
lonely gourami. i have aqua one cannister filter, air pump and stone,
heater dunno what wattage but it keeps the tank at a stable temp gravel
and water(lol)there is also a jewel filter in the tank but it is not
going to stay in there as it requires constant attention


Just clean tank well, no further need for gravel in a sal****er setup.
Marine tanks need to be kept in the area of 75 to 80, although some
folks run them as high as 82 or so degrees.....the key is keeping the
tank stabil in regards to temperature swings....Roughly 3 to 5 watts
per gal is the norm for a heater. Best to run two heaters whose total
wattage equals the needed wattage incase one sticks you do not cook
the tank like one larger heater can do.
i have absoloutly no idea what different types of marine tank setup
are but i do want to have a box fish(dunno what breed etc) as i fell in
love with one i saw.

A box fish is a breed of fish......in the same species IIRC with
puffers and cow fish. YOu can get by with the lights you already have
if yu do not elect to keep any corals, but you could still have some
liverock which is highly recomended. Live rock and live sand is the
heart and soul of a marine setup, and if you use 1.5# or so live rock
per gal you can just about eliminate the need for any filtration and
get by with a simple hob type Aqua clear filter for some current flow
and mechanical filtration and a few powerheads. I owuld not use
crushed coral for the tank substrate as it adds little in the way of
nbeneficial anaything to a marine tank.Use arogonite (calcium based)
sand. It allows better use of bethic critters ability to utilize it.
You need a clean up crew (hermit crabs, snails etc) and personally I
would go with a shallow sand bed and not have the worry of getting gas
buildup in a deep sand bed., At one time deep sand beds were the
things, and they still sre in some cases, but best, easiest way with
less problems overall is a shallow 1" or so depth of sand. You can use
regular silica based sand as well but nothing beats real aragonite
sand for a sal****er tank.

Depending on what wattage your lights are, perhaps you can swap out a
bulb for a suitable marine type setup and then keep a few soft type
corals around such as zoos and mushrooms, as they add character to any
sal****er setup. Cleaner or other type shrimp can be added.......but
you have to decide what exactly you want in the way of fish as nmot
all fish are compatable with a reef setup, some fish rely on a reef
setup and others could get along without anyhting but a glass box with
water and salt in it just fine.....

You need an ammonia, nitrite and nitrate and PH test kit. Freshwater
test kits will not usually work as marine tanks are nmormally kept at
a higher ph than freshwater is (8.1 to 8.5 or so) Your gonna need a
refractometer (preferred) or a hydrometer to keep check of your
specific gravity (salt content). With fish only you can go with a
1.021 to 1.023 SG add corals or any tyope and your better off with a
1.023 to 1.025 or even higher SG.

As for your present filter, marine tanks are counter to what a fresh
water tank is. In freshwater folks use the filter to grow and house
bacteria, in a marine tank enclosed filters etc normally do not, as
they turn into a nitrate factory, which is undesireable for the most
part in a marine setup........

A skimmer is nice to have but not necessary in a fish only (FO) tsank.
LIve rock and live sand is pricey, but there is workarounds and
methods to get around these problems, that work, but takes time...Here
in the USA premium cured LR routinely sells for $7.00 or so a pound,
but even a 5# chuck is beneficial to any tank than no live rock at
all. A tank with sufficieint LR needs not real filtration as the
liverock is the actual filter except for mechanical removal of larger
debri, and its virtually unheard of a LR equipped tank ever getting a
ammonia or niitite or nitrate problem like a fresh water tank can
have......

Check out reefcentral.com
creativereefing.com
sal****erfish.com
and wetweb media for lots of info on marine setups.

i currently have four tropical tanks so i spend a lot of time with them,
dedication is not a problem!

i want to make sure the water and environment will be sustainable over
time and that the fish will be happy to live in the tank.

most of the shop0s in my area just want to sell you stuff not help you
expand your hobby!

many thanks in advice

Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1982.
Aquariums since 1956.
Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds.
But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Art James wrote:
See how screwed up asking and getting correct rep[lies in the USENET
really is........ya would have had a ton of replies by competent
follks in a web based forum by now, sand I have yet to see your post
on usenets only sal****er forum come up.........

Well, I actually think that you gave a good reply
starters....additionally, you are quite right more specialist Marine
forums or web based stuff will also help....

Unless of course we have multiple earthlink posters...for which I
apologise for my comments...or not maybe...

gill

Gav wrote:

people, can we please get to my thread. i know how it is with views and
territory in usenet but c'mon i need the help here! i really want to
enter the world of marine , i am reading up as i type, but i am waiting
for real people to give real live advice!

Roy can give you good advice....the newsgroups I posted also will also
do so as will the web based forums that Roy suggested....I know of noone
else on the freshwater groups than give you better advice than Roy
although I may be doing one or two down by saying this, but I say Roy
because he is the only one that has the real experience to my
knowledge....this is a freshwater group rather than marine...but we will
help you the best that we can....

Gill

*Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG*

"Roy" also impersonates Koi-Lo invalid.invalid wrote in message
...


Yea, inother words Carol Gulley is telling you she does not know and
does not have any links to sal****er (marine forums, since its way to
much for her little simple milliterate in the gutter mind to
comprehend.....Ask your questions here, they will get
answered.....

You can stop the immature childish constant attacks on me Roy. I'm not
leaving these NGs so get used to it. All you're doing with your endless
harassment and foul mouth is driving people away. Use your killfile if you
don't like what I post.

..might even be nbice to answer them without asshole Carol
aka Koi Lo getting involved...

And you're the biggest AH here Roy, impersonating me, nym-shifting, being
rude of people and turning these NGs into your private circus. A place to
vent your inner rage..... SEEK HELP!

Snip the usual BS!
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Another IMPERSONATION by ROY as he verbally abuses and attacks another
poster!

From: lid (Koi-Lo )
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
Subject: Tropical To Marine
Organization: Dâlmâniô© Carol 's Pimp Daddy -- *Carol is his wife.*
Reply-To: lid
Message-ID:
"Koi-Lo " wrote in message
...

Yea, and flattery will get you no place Gill......especially with the
blackmail strongarm threats type tactics you are trying to
use.....Just not gonna work dude............Your emails really make
your true colors come out.........about on par with some of the crap
Carol Gulley posts....

Bite my ass bitch.........then go out and hit the streets like the ho
you were rasied to be. Randy needs some beer money.


On Mon, 1 May 2006 18:23:19 -0500, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:
*Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG*

"Roy" also impersonates Koi-Lo invalid.invalid wrote in message
...


Yea, inother words Carol Gulley is telling you she does not know and
does not have any links to sal****er (marine forums, since its way to
much for her little simple milliterate in the gutter mind to
comprehend.....Ask your questions here, they will get
answered.....

You can stop the immature childish constant attacks on me Roy. I'm not
leaving these NGs so get used to it. All you're doing with your endless
harassment and foul mouth is driving people away. Use your killfile if you
don't like what I post.

.might even be nbice to answer them without asshole Carol
aka Koi Lo getting involved...

And you're the biggest AH here Roy, impersonating me, nym-shifting, being
rude of people and turning these NGs into your private circus. A place to
vent your inner rage..... SEEK HELP!

Snip the usual BS!

Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1982.
Aquariums since 1956.
Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds.
But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o