Flowerring aquaria plants for goldfish

"PJ" wrote in message
u...
ok ill accept what you say. but im buying minature goldfish and only 2 for
my 10 liter tank.

There is no such thing as a "miniature" goldfish. If healthy they ALL get
large. GF are not small fish. And adult can reach as much as 12" in
length, including an average tail. Each adult GF eventually needs at least
20g of water. A pair would need at the least a 40gLong tank.

im told they'll grow to suit the feeding quantity and the size of the
bowl...im accepting that they know their buisness.. PJ

Told by who? Few "know their business" as they receive almost no training
before a fishnet is put in their hands. This is not true and starving them
to keep them stunted, small and emaciated is cruel. It will eventually kill
for deform them. Please don't listen to clerks who work in these stores
because the advice they often give is wrong. Also, they're there to SELL
you fish and fish supplies such as expensive medications and
anti-parasitics. Please use Google and go over some websites that describe
GF care and feeding.
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"PJ" wrote in message
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The Question again... Are there any flowerring plants thats compatible
with goldfish please??? What i mean by compatible is that the plant wont
poision them... TIA.. PJ
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Do you mean an *underwater* flowering plant?
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this 10 liter or 2.6 gallon container has no filter, no aeration. and there are no
"miniature" GF. this is not going to be proper care for a living GF. Ingrid

netDenizen wrote:
Neon tetras will make delicious snacks for large, adult goldfish.

Good luck with your new hobby. It sounds like your fish may at least
receive more care and consideration than goldfish in a bowl, which often
don't live long due to water conditions.



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"netDenizen" wrote in message
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Good luck with your new hobby. It sounds like your fish may at least
receive more care and consideration than goldfish in a bowl, which often
don't live long due to water conditions.
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What she's putting them in is no better than a bowl. She may as well use a
bowl. Without aeration how long will two GF live in less than 3g of water?
How will she cycle this tiny tank?
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wrote:
this 10 liter or 2.6 gallon container has no filter, no aeration. and there are no
"miniature" GF. this is not going to be proper care for a living GF. Ingrid

netDenizen wrote:

Neon tetras will make delicious snacks for large, adult goldfish.

Good luck with your new hobby. It sounds like your fish may at least
receive more care and consideration than goldfish in a bowl, which often
don't live long due to water conditions.



Yes you're right - the fish don't have a chance. My care and
consideration comment was inspired by the o.p. being concerned enough to
ask questions on usenet. The 10 litres throws me off - sounds like 10
gallons, and virtually no-one buys an aquarium without a filter these
days. The o.p. will learn the hard way, the same as many of us did.

W.R.T. the question of flowering plants that can coexist with goldfish,
Anubias come to mind. It does all right with my goldfish and flowers
from time to time. The o.p. may not be interested in flowers that look
like little green lumps, however - here's a link which shows the
flowering plant: http://www.tropica.dk/productcard_1.asp?id=101 .

Yes,underwater flowerring plant that wont poison GF.. TY.. PJ



"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
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"PJ" wrote in message
u...
The Question again... Are there any flowerring plants thats compatible
with goldfish please??? What i mean by compatible is that the plant wont
poision them... TIA.. PJ
=======================
Do you mean an *underwater* flowering plant?
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Aquariums since 1952.
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TY,the plant looks great
ill get some today... PJ



"netDenizen" wrote in message
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wrote:
this 10 liter or 2.6 gallon container has no filter, no aeration. and
there are no
"miniature" GF. this is not going to be proper care for a living GF.
Ingrid

netDenizen wrote:

Neon tetras will make delicious snacks for large, adult goldfish.

Good luck with your new hobby. It sounds like your fish may at least
receive more care and consideration than goldfish in a bowl, which often
don't live long due to water conditions.



Yes you're right - the fish don't have a chance. My care and consideration
comment was inspired by the o.p. being concerned enough to ask questions
on usenet. The 10 litres throws me off - sounds like 10 gallons, and
virtually no-one buys an aquarium without a filter these days. The o.p.
will learn the hard way, the same as many of us did.

W.R.T. the question of flowering plants that can coexist with goldfish,
Anubias come to mind. It does all right with my goldfish and flowers from
time to time. The o.p. may not be interested in flowers that look like
little green lumps, however - here's a link which shows the flowering
plant: http://www.tropica.dk/productcard_1.asp?id=101 .

How do i keep Ammonia down to an acceptable level ??? TIA.. PJ



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an outdoor pond is quite a bit different than in indoor tank. and you had
it stocked
with little fish which is GF and koi food. outdoor ponds grow lots of
little
critters that eat the smaller critters that eat the bacteria live on the
plants. but
GF and koi will happily eat smaller fish too, which are a rich protein
source for
them. when GF are nibbling on the green plants, they are actually trying
to strip
off the itty bitty critters. I feed my koi a very nutritious high protein
food and
they leave my water lily alone. when I dont feed em I find bits of my
plant floating
around.
so as long as there is food in the pond for the GF and koi, they will
leave the
plants alone. this is not possible in small indoor tanks with GF.
hundreds of
people with GF have discussed this before and there are a couple plants
will hold up
in a tank.
it is true a few people have been able to keep the occasional GF in a GF
"bowl" with
no aeration or filtration. but it is cruel. most GF die with those
conditions. the
ammonia cooks their gills. it is like sitting in a closet breathing
ammonia fumes.
like that one miner survived when everyone else died.
just because you were able to keep a GF alive under those conditions does
not mean
you should advocate it for others. Ingrid

"tenacity" wrote:
I have koi, golfish, comets, minnows, tetras, a cichlid, dainos, and
guppies all in a big (700 gal) pond with tons of plants,

You're wise to have faith in the fish - a few million years of
evolution have left fish - especially goldfish - with plenty of
gumption. 10L is fine if you keep the water clean. A little
amonia/nitrate/nitrite/ph test kit - 20$ US - will tell you if you need
to change the water, though you can tell just by looking at it most
likely. Also, don't go crazy with chemicals - regular 1/2 water changes
should be enough to keep things happy.

I started with anachris, cambomba, and elodea - common cheap plants at
the local fish store. It's been fine - the fich munch sometimes, but
they certainltly haven't destroyed the plants. What they did destroy,
now that I think of it, was the peace lily plant. The mondo grass
hasn't held up to the pond algae very well, but it didn't get eaten, it
just dies once the algae got going on it.



Consider adding four or five neon tetras to you goldfish tank -
they're tiny, and since they swim at the bottom of the tank, they'll be
a fun contrast to the slow mid-water goldies. when I first started, all
I could afford were dollar-store glass coffee pots. I had a golfish or
tetra or a few mini platys or neons in each one - I had 6 of them in
my room. It was great! They were all different, and you know a coffe
pot is a LOT less than 10 gal.

When I got bored of the water changes I just dumped 'em in the pond,
and everybody's doing great.I think fish aren't anywhere near as
delicate as hobbyosts woud have us think. Fish have lived in big
cold/warm/dirty/murky ponds for a zillion years - they can put up with
a surprising amount.

Have FUN!

No big deal. Fish + plants + clean water = happy aquarium.



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"PJ" wrote in message
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Yes,underwater flowerring plant that wont poison GF.. TY.. PJ
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That's what I thought, but I don't know of any. Your tank may be a little
small for a fish plus a plant. Sorry I couldn't help more......
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On Fri, 12 May 2006 14:42:33 +1000, "PJ"
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How do i keep Ammonia down to an acceptable level ??? TIA.. PJ

- do not overstock
- for GF this usually means 10-30 gal per adult GF. The more water
the better.
- GF need far more water than common thin-bodied tropicals. Just
forget the 1" fish per 1 gal water rule your sales clerk may have been
told during their brief "training."


- Get the best filter you can buy.
- biological filtration is most important followed by mechanical.
Chemical filtration is mostly optional.
- wet-dry type are optimal. Others can be fine as long as
there is a lot of surface area and no super-thick media.
- If you do use ammonia absorbing chips in the filter like ammo-carb
do not use salt. This will recharge the chips and release ammonia.
(It's common practice to use salt, esp when there are water quality
problems.)


- establish a biological Nitrogen Cycle.
- Google Nitrogen Cycle, Aquarium Cycle, fishless cycle.
- water changes are important. But to use water changes to control
ammonia means you are flouting some or all of these last three points.
So it will be inevitable that the GF will be exposed to ammonia spikes
despite best efforts. Given GF waste output, relying on water changes
is a major PITA.
- Bio-spira is a good product to establish an instant cycle.
- But If it is old or hasn't been handled properly it can be
worthless. These are live, delicate, slow-growing bacteria.
- you don't really want to use it in planted aquariums as most
plants like to have a chance to get at some ammonia.
- plants will consume ammonia, but in all but the most extreme
situations cannot possibly be the sole ammonia control.


When you use a standard test kit you should show 0 Ammonia, 0
Nitrites, 50ppm Nitrates (lower is better). These parameters
indicate the status of the nitrogen cycle (biological filtration) via
levels of toxic compounds from fish waste & rotting food.

Products like Ammo-lock 2 or Amquel can detoxify ammonia at lower
levels. They can be helpful. Amquel is better.

Maybe now it's clearer where some of the other posters are coming
from?