Betta question

[-=LÈGIÖN=-] wrote:


If female bettas can be content living among their own sex, I'd be
content with just the females. Has anyone kept only female bettas for
long periods of time?

Absolutely.
Currently my 75g has only females.
After their initial bickering over the hierarchy, all is fine.
On occasion you may get 2 dominant females that neither will submit,
and one of them will need to find a new home.
This is all common when it comes to Bettas though.
When you have fish that need to push their weight around to find their
place, sometimes it can get nippy, or even a chunk of fin missing is
still normal.
Constant biting, no. Not normal and one is overly aggressive or just
can't stand that individual fish. They too have likes and dislikes.
I've specialized in these fish for 28 yrs and when it comes to them,
yes, I'd say I was an expert.
Once you really start to see their hierarchy, their body language,
etc....they make for quite interesting little fish.
I keep a rainbow of females in the 75g, and usually a resident male.
However, I have quite a bruiser of a female when it comes to the boys
and cannot house one in there now.
She's not even the alpha (the big boss) either. Just does not tolerate
a male at all.
Hey....what's a 30 liter in US gallons anyway?
Somebody tell me because I do not know the conversion.

Köi-Lö wrote:

Yes, and they got along ok. A nip here and there but otherwise they lived
in relative peace.

You forgot the part about it depending on the individual personality of
each fish.
There are females from time to time that cannot be housed with certain
females, or some that can't be housed with any female.
This needs to be said *each* time.
It doesn't matter if you said it a month ago, or 20 minutes ago.
All Bettas are different and that needs to be said each time. You
should always have a back plan as well if it doesn't turn out the way
you want it to.
It's also so much easier when the females are spawn siblings.
Males things so much easier, as their hierarchy was figured out long
ago when they were babies.

Tynk wrote:

It's also so much easier when the females are spawn siblings.
Males things so much easier, as their hierarchy was figured out long
ago when they were babies.

That should have been *makes* things so much easier. = )~

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Köi-Lö wrote:


Besides, we are not arguing over the morality of keeping fish, but on
how
best to keep them. A larger tank will always be better.

This I agree with. But nothing can be better than a fish's or animal's
natural habitat for the general welfare of the animal/fish/bird and it's
quality of life. A prime example are the cageless zoos and the reasons
for
====================================
Ok....but you just said in another post that Bettas are fine bowls or
jars.
They aren't.

Wild bettas? Or are you talking about the unnaturally long finned bettas I
keep? You know the ones,... the ones that wouldn't last a day in a rice
patty.
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Koi Lo wrote:


See above. It's not misinformation where really aggressive bettas are
concerned and smaller tanks with few or no hiding places. Don't assume
everyone has a 30L or larger planted tank.
--

Being that this has been explained over and over and over....
That the tank needs to be large enough, well planted and that each
individual personality allows it, no one is talking about a small, bare
tank.

And no one was talking about a well planted 30L or larger either.

No one needs to assume it it has to be the size tank YOU used either.

Nor the size YOU use either.

Seems to me you're getting overly aggressive males.

I buy and bought what's available where I live.

If you have had a large enough tank and this many probs, I'd look into
finding new stock.
You also said in one of your posts about the male building his
nests....

Most males had nests most of the time.

If a male is in a filtered, heated tank and with 3 or more females
(proper size and dechor of course) there shouldn't be any spawning
behavior going on anyway.

I guess my males didn't read your website since they had nests most of the
time, usually on the edge of or amid the planted area.

You also run into trouble trying to house only one female and one male
per tank.
They have to form a hierarchy which can't be done properly with only a
pair.
Occasionly you will find a couple of placid Bettas and they're fine.
But to say the male will always shred a female, stress her, or kill
her,

Which is a very good possibility in a smaller unplanted tank
unfortunately..........

whatever it is you're saying today (this does change per post) and
that they shouldn't ever be housed together is simply wrong. It just
is.

Saying TODAY? When did I ever say it was fine to put to bettas together in
a small unplanted tank? You better learn to check those *headers* before
making such erroneous statements about what people say here. I have always
been for keeping bettas separate or no more than one to a tank.

I bet the entire problem you have experienced is not enough females and
a tank that was too small.

I bet you're wrong.........

Besides....if you had overly aggressive males (rare with Splendens) you
should have never tried to house them together.

Check headers.......... see above.
Reading Headers:
http://tinyurl.com/amm9s

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Köi-Lö wrote:

Yes, and they got along ok. A nip here and there but otherwise they lived
in relative peace.

You forgot the part about it depending on the individual personality of
each fish.
There are females from time to time that cannot be housed with certain
females, or some that can't be housed with any female.
This needs to be said *each* time.

Then say it if you have hours and hours to type the same info endlessly.
You forgot that I'm going by my own experience - not YOUR experience. I
never had a female that killed or shredded other females. I'm sorry that
you did. You should have bought less aggressive females (as you told me
about my males.) . Why do you insist I post YOUR experience instead of my
own?

It doesn't matter if you said it a month ago, or 20 minutes ago.
All Bettas are different and that needs to be said each time. You
should always have a back plan as well if it doesn't turn out the way
you want it to.

Then tell people to buy TWO tanks for the females in case they don't get
along.

It's also so much easier when the females are spawn siblings.
Males things so much easier, as their hierarchy was figured out long
ago when they were babies.
--
KL....
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

30 Liters = 7.925161570744453 Gallons
http://www.calculateme.com/Volume/Liters/ToGallons.htm

http://www.easysurf.cc/cnver2.htm#gl1

nik



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[-=LÈGIÖN=-] wrote:


If female bettas can be content living among their own sex, I'd be
content with just the females. Has anyone kept only female bettas for
long periods of time?

Absolutely.
Currently my 75g has only females.
After their initial bickering over the hierarchy, all is fine.
On occasion you may get 2 dominant females that neither will submit,
and one of them will need to find a new home.
This is all common when it comes to Bettas though.
When you have fish that need to push their weight around to find their
place, sometimes it can get nippy, or even a chunk of fin missing is
still normal.
Constant biting, no. Not normal and one is overly aggressive or just
can't stand that individual fish. They too have likes and dislikes.
I've specialized in these fish for 28 yrs and when it comes to them,
yes, I'd say I was an expert.
Once you really start to see their hierarchy, their body language,
etc....they make for quite interesting little fish.
I keep a rainbow of females in the 75g, and usually a resident male.
However, I have quite a bruiser of a female when it comes to the boys
and cannot house one in there now.
She's not even the alpha (the big boss) either. Just does not tolerate
a male at all.
Hey....what's a 30 liter in US gallons anyway?
Somebody tell me because I do not know the conversion.

"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
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On 22 Jul 2006 12:30:45 -0700, "Tynk" wrote:


[-=LÈGIÖN=-] wrote:
Thanks for hanging around the aquaria groups. It will be noisy here
from time to time, relative to the aquaria/pond/garden wars with
certain posters as targets, including myself.


Your postings are valuable us all.


Thanks.
I have to do what I can to save the poor Bettas living in cold jars!
Sheesh.
Some folks just want to argue.
I just like telling the facts.


Amen...I am seriously considering another 55 gal and just stock it
with female bettas...I'm serious. Just females. If this is a
problem...SOMEBODY STOP ME. PLEASE.




No not a problem, just some stuff you should know before you do it, but
beyond that they can make a very pretty & interesting tank.
first thing, unlike most other setups with other fish, these guys are going
to nip and fight for a few days some times longer until they establish who
is who in the tank, alpha ect, once they have that worked out things will
settle down, from time to time you will see them bicker but that's ok. Once
in a while you will have one who is just not going to get along, this will
happen if two females want to be alpha and neither will back down, then you
may have two remove one of them. To be honest, I find it to be one of the
neatest setups because the way they interact with one another. You will see
different colors come out in them, and different personalities. Just when
you have time do a search on a female betta tank, there is some good
information that will explain what they will go though in the first week and
why, and even that is neat to watch form.
Nik

Köi-Lö wrote:


====================================
Ok....but you just said in another post that Bettas are fine bowls or
jars.
They aren't.

Wild bettas? Or are you talking about the unnaturally long finned bettas I
keep? You know the ones,... the ones that wouldn't last a day in a rice
patty.
--

Nope. The entire conversation has been about domestic Bettas, not wild
ones.
You tossed in the native habitats when everyone else was talking about
pet shops types, and aquariums. Then you started talking about how
tanks can't compare to their native habitats, etc....FYI - Patty is a
ladies name, not a rice paddie.

Nikki wrote:
30 Liters = 7.925161570744453 Gallons
http://www.calculateme.com/Volume/Liters/ToGallons.htm

Well then, Koi-Lo shouldn't be housing 3 (or more, as you shouldn't
ever just have 2 females per tank) females and one male in that small
of a tank anyway.
Thank Nik, you're a peach.
P.S....you also know what you're doing. = )